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hunter321
Orange Level Joined: 11 Jan 2021 Location: 52320 Points: 520 |
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I got it started
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hunter321
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The oil turned brown again
The sealer didn't work. dont know what to do |
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Ed (Ont)
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What was the no start issue? Is the oil level going up?
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hunter321
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The battery cable was loose.
The oil level is a bit higher and it's now brown. I pulled the valve cover and there was water in it |
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DrAllis
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What to do ?? You have two choices. #1. Do nothing and drive it off in the weeds. Remove parts that you could sell or use on another tractor of the same model. #2. Tear the engine apart and fix it. This could cost several hundred dollars in parts alone and maybe upwards into a couple thousand dollars. You say it must be sleeve Orings. I say the block is cracked. Either way the only way to KNOW and fix it, is to tear it down and inspect it and repair accordingly. TWO choices. Not three or four or five choices.
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hunter321
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Why do you think that the block is cracked
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Lynn Marshall
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Probably his 50 plus years of experience with those engines.
Edited by Lynn Marshall - 06 Nov 2024 at 8:22pm |
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hunter321
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I'll spend as much money as I need to to fix this tractor.
It's special to me |
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DrAllis
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Because I'm old enough to have seen several broken blocks in the last 50 or more years. People didn't keep strong enough antifreeze in them or forgot there was straight water in them and cold weather came along and the block froze and broke. I myself have never seen a bad sleeve Oring on an A-C gas engine. but it could be. You are totally missing the point: Oring or cracked block takes the same labor to discover what the failure is.
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hunter321
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I'll start pulling the head tomorrow
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DrAllis
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You might start by pulling the pan and once again watch and see where the coolant is coming from, and then start tearing it apart. When each connecting rod cap is removed, clean the journal with brake Kleen and place a piece of tape over the oil hole to keep out any dirt.
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DrAllis
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I don't think I've ever been able to determine if you have already had the cylinder head off or not ?? If there are 3 cracks on top of the block between all the sleeves, there is a good chance it is split down below where the Orings are. The block has to be sanded/wire brushed clean between the sleeves to be able to see cracks if there are any. There will be some who say that cracks on the top of the block don't hurt anything. That is kind of true. 1 crack maybe. 2 cracks, not so much. 3 cracks, pretty doubtfully that things are good down below. And especially when you have coolant going into the oil pan.
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hunter321
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I never took the cylinder head off. Butt there was silicone on the valve cover gasket
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hunter321
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Is there any chance that it is just a head gasket.
I am just looking for any hope for my tractor. |
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DrAllis
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I wasn't laying underneath the tractor with the pan removed looking at it. You said the coolant was coming from around the O.D. of the sleeve(s). A leaking head gasket could leak coolant down thru the push rod and camshaft area, not around a sleeve O.D. A leaking head gasket could also leak into the INSIDE of the sleeve and run down past the piston and rings. But, in the end, I don't remember ever having to replace a leaking head gasket, but I sure remember leaking cylinder head freeze plugs and split blocks.
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Lynn Marshall
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Head gasket, not very likely. If the gasket was bad around the fire ring area, it could let coolant leak into a cylinder and over time, leak past the piston rings and get into the pan. But that would be obvious when starting the engine. Excess coolant would blow out the exhaust or it may not even want to turn over when cranking the starter. That is called hydro locked. It's not easy to compress a liquid. Removing a spark plug and then cranking the starter would get the coolant out of that cylinder. Even if this were to happen, it creates another problem. If the fire ring area was bad, it will now let the cylinder compression leak into the cooling system. You would know this too,when the radiator cap can't hold all that pressure and the coolant just pours out the overflow. Another area for the head gasket leaking coolant into the oil would be over by the push rods. But that would show up by coolant dripping off of the lifters and cam lobes, when looking from below. My understanding was that you saw it leaking from the sleeve area. Regardless, a complete tear down will likely be needed. For good or bad, I've also got over 50 years experience on these engines. Damn we're getting old Doc.
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hunter321
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How could I tell if it's just the freeze plugs
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DrAllis
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With the cooling system full and pressurized with the radiator pump tool and have the valve cover removed. There are 2 or 3 plugs right there on top easy to see. Antifreeze will leak much quicker and easier than straight water as its molecules are smaller.
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Lynn Marshall
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A leaking freeze plug would let the coolant travel down the pushrod holes and drip from the lifters and cam shaft area, not around the sleeves.
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ekjdm14
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Ooooh dear... Not looking good for my B's block then! I noticed small cracks between the liners on that a while back but had the same thought "it's only between the liner tops, won't hurt" (maybe more in hope than expectation). Guess it's fair to presume a lot of these blocks got frozen over time, but I did kind of hope it stayed together down below. I've got to pull the pan back off to address the damaged drain plug anyway but wish I'd known to check there before I put the tractor back together haha! Ah well, I suppose at least I didn't invest too much time or money in it yet!
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DrAllis
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The smaller block isn't quite as bad as the 201-226 block for cracks down below I don't think. I'm just saying, if there's 2 or 3 cracks on the top deck AND you have a coolant in the pan issue, why wouldn't you think it wasn't cracked down below ?????
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