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Well then, you've got some choices to make. You want to work on this tractor?? it takes tools. You don't have what it takes, buy the tool that does the job or figure out another way.
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I'll try my idea first and if it doesn't work I will try to get the pliers
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I think Im just going to give up on have a working hand clutch. No matter what I do I can't get the ring over the shaft and have it be the right shape to fit in the grove. The only way I have left is to split the tractor and I don't have anything to do that and don't have money to get anything
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I hope you have the hand clutch lever locked fully to the rear. This exposes the snap ring groove so you can actually install the wire snap ring.
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Yes I do but the snap ring is not in the right shape
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I'm working on splitting the tractor my own way
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I'm splitting it right behind the hand clutch. What gaskets do I need
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Hunter I can't help with the clutch but I sense some frustration. These guys are trying to help with the info you have given them. Always tell what the whole problem is, what you (or someone else) has done, parts found and the results. Most problems with these tractors have been dealt with before. Also pics are super helpful to all. Always tell if you're making progress or not. Shows you appreciate the help. You gotta love these old machines or why the h#ll would you have one. Good luck!
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Ok.
I am making great progress on splitting the tractor, tomorrow I am going to get 3/4 in all thread to support the back end of the tractor and I'm going to try to split it tomorrow and get the clutch out.

Thanks for all your help.
I do need to find what gaskets to get and is it a good idea to weld the snap ring in place.
Also my transmission fluid had water in it.
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https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/how-to-change-a-wd-hand-cluth_topic81694.html
I am following this set of instructions to split the tractor
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Make sure to put some blocks between the front axle and the frame if you don't have something holding the frame from tipping.
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I plan on using hi lift jacks to support it.
Thanks for the info
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yes it is.... $5.52 at my dealer. any AGCO dealer can order it no matter their brand
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Thanks
I just got it ordered along with a shift tower gasket
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Is welding the snap ring in place a good idea
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Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

Is welding the snap ring in place a good idea


When someone inevitably goes wrong, do you want to be the one that has to fix it after being welded into place?
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So don't weld it into place
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Do you guys have any advice on how to bend the snap ring into the correct shape on the hand clutch once I get it out of the tractor so it fits perfectly so I don't need to weld it in place
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I almost forgot to ask, what is the bell housing. The instructions say I need to jack up the tractor under the bell housing. Also is there anywhere else that I need to support before rolling the tractor apart
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Bell housing is the casting bolted to rear of engine which houses the foot clutch. If a wide front you can wedge 2X4's between axle and frame rails to keep vertical stability and place a jack under bell housing. Block front tires each side to keep it from moving. A narrow front is not stable and is top heavy. Need a splitting stand or "A" frame attatched to frame rails hanging from a hoist.. Once front half is well supported you put a floor jack under drawbar next to snap coupler bell and roll back half away from front half. If you don't have a concrete floor to work on you will likely have a big failure.
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Can you post a picture of the bell housing for a narrow front.
Could I support the front end with a giant cable spool underneath it. I am splitting the tractor outside with no concrete and it will be held together by 4 1'5" pieces of 3/4 in all thread so it doesn't split to far. I have 2 farm hi lift jacks and a floor jack.
Do I put the spool or jack under the transmission clutch housing.
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Could I support the frame with a spool on either side of the tractor and use a jack to support the bell housing
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I forgot to mention that the front end of the tractor can't move because I have a loader on it and the bucket is digging into the ground
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I'll try the spools
What do I put the jack under. Is it right under the hand clutch housing. I need to know
How do I bend the snap ring in the right shape.
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Click on the link I have posted. Click on the WD-45 section. There will be illustrated diagrams of the parts by section. Search through it. Also do a web search for WD-45 torque tube. lots of pics out there. Hope the link workshttps://parts.agcocorp.com/us/en/apbsearch/model
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Originally posted by hunter321 hunter321 wrote:

I forgot to mention that the front end of the tractor can't move because I have a loader on it and the bucket is digging into the ground

If you are relying on the hydraulics to hold it it, for safety you still need to block the front portion of the tractor in case the hydraulics leak down.

I have split a similar size tractor on the dirt all by myself. I put a piece of plywood under the transmission area and used a floor jack to support the transmission, then rolled the rear half of the tractor back. The fun part was lining up the two-stage clutch and getting it all back together.

I had everything well blocked for safety.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/254VkWTPMokQPKwv5

Let me know if you guys can view this.
This is a video of what I have done

Edited by hunter321 - 04 May 2024 at 8:03pm
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Hard to see everything. One brake rod unhooked it takes 2. Looks like a bottle jack under the back half. How do you roll it away on that? It's fixed and can't move. The front needs a jack too because you can't block it in the perfect position. Need to be able to vary the height. You may well be just in a bind from not being in line. Going back together is much trickier because it has to be nearly perfect alignment and the big redi rod doesn't align anything.
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Some words of encouragement. You're doing something at 17 in the dirt. Some mechanics wouldn't do in a perfect garage. Just keep learning as you go, be safe, and try things.

I applaud you for splitting a tractor. Let alone as one of the first things you do and outside on the dirt!

Support it well. If it falls you certainly won't be able to pick it up, and if it falls on you, you really won't be able to put it back together.
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