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Originally posted by Rawleigh Rawleigh wrote:

Use an ag stub axle and hub like these.  Cut off the required length of the existing solid steel round axle, have your machinist counterbore it with an appropriate size hole, insert the stub axle and weld around it.  Simple and you have a high speed hub with modern components.  No change to frame of wheel placement.  Bolt the drive sprocket to the back of the new hub.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200381465_200381465

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200369643_200369643

You can find them cheaper online elsewhere too.

Of course if you used the tractor spindle you could offset the wheels to the rear slightly to balance the machine (if you can offset the drive chain since you are doing a 66).

Great looking job though!!  I cannot wait to see the end result!!
 
 
Thanks.  It will be a while...I am going to put some more pieces of the frame on this weekend.
 
On those axles....Im not sure those are high speed (not specified on the link)
I have seen similar versions elsewhere but had limits on ground speed.
If I knew for sure my speed would be greater that would be a possible replacement.
But for this first one Im not going there as I am losing my shirt on this one already.
 
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Originally posted by TomYaz TomYaz wrote:

Originally posted by Rawleigh Rawleigh wrote:

Use an ag stub axle and hub like these.  Cut off the required length of the existing solid steel round axle, have your machinist counterbore it with an appropriate size hole, insert the stub axle and weld around it.  Simple and you have a high speed hub with modern components.  No change to frame of wheel placement.  Bolt the drive sprocket to the back of the new hub.

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200381465_200381465

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200369643_200369643

You can find them cheaper online elsewhere too.

Of course if you used the tractor spindle you could offset the wheels to the rear slightly to balance the machine (if you can offset the drive chain since you are doing a 66).

Great looking job though!!  I cannot wait to see the end result!!
 
 
Thanks.  It will be a while...I am going to put some more pieces of the frame on this weekend.
 
 
 On those axles....Im not sure those are high speed (not specified on the link)
I have seen similar versions elsewhere but had limits on ground speed.
If I knew for sure my speed would be greater that would be a possible replacement.
But for this first one Im not going there as I am losing my shirt on this one already.
 
 
 
Update: Called the manufacturer (real close where I used to live in IN) And that axle/hub
is slow speed only <20MPH.....


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If you went with new axles & hubs I'd be looking at the trailer parts market for those kind of items.  Those would of course be highway speed items, easy to find replacement parts for and easy to find rims that fit and good tires.  Mike
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They do make high speed stub axles for trailers even if those aren't.  You don't have to do it for this one, just a thought to file away for later.

Some cheaper high speed options:
http://www.trailerpart.com/spindles.htm



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Originally posted by Rawleigh Rawleigh wrote:

They do make high speed stub axles for trailers even if those aren't.  You don't have to do it for this one, just a thought to file away for later.

Some cheaper high speed options:
http://www.trailerpart.com/spindles.htm

Yeah I was just there...looks promising.
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Originally posted by TomYaz TomYaz wrote:

Originally posted by Rawleigh Rawleigh wrote:

They do make high speed stub axles for trailers even if those aren't.  You don't have to do it for this one, just a thought to file away for later.

Some cheaper high speed options:
http://www.trailerpart.com/spindles.htm

Yeah I was just there...looks promising.
 
 
Did some research looks like the type 42 spindle has the best chance of working..
 
then it occurred to me..
 
Um, how am I going to drive the reel? 
 
I guess I would have to drive the wheel of perhaps the sickle drive pulley..
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On the Axle issue.  You might try this outfit.  They offer axles, hubs and bearing kits at good price.  Also If you ask they can probably supply axle of a slightly longer length at a reasonable price.  As for reel drive, I can't help as I do not have a machine here to mock-up pieces to fit. - AL


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Originally posted by ALinIL ALinIL wrote:

Tom
On the Axle issue.  You might try this outfit.  They offer axles, hubs and bearing kits at good price.  Also If you ask they can probably supply axle of a slightly longer length at a reasonable price.  As for reel drive, I can't help as I do not have a machine here to mock-up pieces to fit. - AL
 
 
Thanks Al.
 
a question I have....If you look at the drawing on that page, I have a question about measurement "A"...I need to know the total distance from the far end of the spindle  to
the outer edge of the hub facing after the hub is installed... they dont provide that info..It cant be too short....I suppose I should call. .... but they dont have a 2" shaft as I need...


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I agree, more info is needed.  But I believe they have the capability to provide a longer and larger spindle.  They also have hubs(6 bolt) that may fit your rims.
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Tom:  I heed to take a picture of the drive on my Massey Ferguson 33 planter hubs.  They use a modern style hub with a bolt on extension tube that moves the drive sprocket inboard enough to clear the tire.  Pretty simple and cheap solution.  Wish I had taken pictures while I had it apart last month replacing the axle bearings.  I do have the parts manual at the farm and I will try to get you a picture.
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Originally posted by Rawleigh Rawleigh wrote:

Tom:  I heed to take a picture of the drive on my Massey Ferguson 33 planter hubs.  They use a modern style hub with a bolt on extension tube that moves the drive sprocket inboard enough to clear the tire.  Pretty simple and cheap solution.  Wish I had taken pictures while I had it apart last month replacing the axle bearings.  I do have the parts manual at the farm and I will try to get you a picture.
 
Thanks Rawleigh...but just remember every proposed solution has to be relatively cheap and repeatable...
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Originally posted by ALinIL ALinIL wrote:

Tom
I agree, more info is needed.  But I believe they have the capability to provide a longer and larger spindle.  They also have hubs(6 bolt) that may fit your rims.
 
Good to know...thanks
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