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Jeff  -  beam screw adjustments(black arrows)
 
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yep...welded
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Originally posted by Jeff(WC)(MI) Jeff(WC)(MI) wrote:

those are the set screws that are welded in place
That is what Al and I are talking about, If they are welded then you need to get them to adjust. Don


Edited by Don(MO) - 28 Aug 2010 at 10:21am
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if that U bracket that those set screws go in to is the threaded portion...a buddy has a junk plow that just has the frame left i could just replace that U shaped piece and new set screws...is that whats threaded or is it the triangle beaming plates that are threaded?
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Jeff - Not certain if "U" bracket or plates threaded.  There are lock nuts to keep the setscrews from moving once adjusted.  Suggest heat and "panther juice" to get them to turn.  -  AL
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well the left set screw still has the jam nut on it...the right one the jam nut is gone and the set screw is welded right to the U bracket
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Jeff - I would try to get a cutter wheel and try to cut the weld.  You might then be able to get the screw loose.  I realize its not easy.  Also here is a diagram I made a few years ago to help with the plow hitch point.
 
 
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thanks!  i will work on it some in a few days when i get it back home
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Jeff just a crazy idea but change sides with lifting links .My book on a 62 shows adjusting on right side but it has a different link on left .
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Long link goes on left side,short link on right,one of your first pics.plow looks high on right side,lengthen right link.
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well i plowed the way it is tonight....and then unhooked plow and loaded everything up and brought it home...got a few things to do to the tractor before i take it acrossed the mighty mac in a few weeks....gonna work on freeing things and loosening things on the plow also in the meantime.....thanks everyone for your help....and i am sure when i get the plow all freed up and going again i will be back with more pictures!!
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 First of all, I would like to thank Jeff for plowing my field for me! Aside from the plow being out of adjustment a little, he's turned himself into quite an experienced plowman.  He left the field for home tonight with my thanks, BUT is considering trading the WD-45 for something different. Folks, we need your help in changing Jeff's mind so he doesn't stray away from the persian orange paint.

gottcha Jeff!!!!!!!
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let the burning at the stake commence, thanks Jim!
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Not from me, all of the tractors ran out of gas, can't find anything to light you up with!!! lol

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now now Jim you've said enough!  LOL
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Jeff:  Repeat after me:  "Three Point Hitch is a Communist Plot"  Just say no...  Once you have the SC plow dialed in, it will be a thing of beauty that others just can't duplicate.  Very few hitching systems other than Snap Coupler allow the adjustments to stay with the plow (or other implement) and let you hitch up and go plow without going through what you've been doing EVERY TIME you use the implement.  Al and Don are right, the beam adjustment set screws need to be dialed in to get the plow running straight before you make any other changes.
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i was wondering though...who used these plows before?  if the adjustments stay with the implement...how the heck did they use these when they are this far out of whack?  we hooked one of steelwheelacjim's 3-16's to my tractor and that thing was so horrible we unhooked and went back to mine

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Let me save you some un-needed heartache that you will ALWAYS regret! Stay with the WD and the Snap-Coupler plow. I have tried to plow with my cousins' JD2040 and 3 bottom MF(Technically it is a Massey plow, but the MF stands for something else, same as the tractors to me!LOL!) When you have to (attempt to) plow with something like that, you will appreciate a plow that has been designed with some actual forethought to getting good performance out of it, and not just having the lowest price at the dealers lot. The MF plow that I used had none of the adjustments that your plow has, and it needed them. It showed in the mediocre job that it did. Looked much worse than the pics of your first attempts. Don't get frustrated. You know as well as the rest of us that your plow needed some more work to be just right. The previous owners may have welded the beaming screws in place on purpose, to keep it from moving once they got it set for their tractor.  Once you get it right, you will probably want to weld all of the adjustments in place too. LOL! Don'tv give up on it just because that green machine looked like it was doing better. You don't know how many years it took to get that thing to work right.
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Just for the record, I had no problem with the way the plow performed. I know Jeff wanted it to plow a little deeper, but in the type of ground I farm, I do not believe in deep plowing. The farm was wheat stubble that I wanted to just roll over. The field we plowed last year I planted soybeans in this year. They are chest high to a 6ft tall person( just ask Jeff). Any little screw-ups we made I'll just disc up later this fall when I level the field up. Jeff's dad plowing, well, that's another story for another forum!
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Jeff, Please don't take my help as a rock being thrown at you . the #53 plow and WD45 make a great unit plowing after you get them setup. I have plowed with John Deere, IHC tractors and plows and they are not in the same league as the setup you have. Some day you will look back at the old #53 plowing deep and throwing the dirt and think back to the first time trying to get her setup and laugh about it. My Dad was a great teacher!
Hang in there, Don
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-from where I'm sitting(in my recliner in medium cruise position), looking at the pictures and from the comments and measurements you have posted, I would;
 
1st-most important; replace plow shares, they look to be the rebuild type and look totally worn, thus you have to sit the plow on it's nose to penetrate
 
move plow frame to the left on the round shaft---or---move furrow wheel out one notch=2-1/2 inches-this will help first bottom cut
 
set the lift links as - left 1-1/2 inches longer than the right as a starting point, then tweak to level along with depth, but you will need new shares to make any of these work.
 
We had a plow like yours on a WD(one year old) and another on a new D14 w/ new plow, and they will plow ground like yours and leave it level and when speed is up, very difficult to distinguish each furrow.
We also had to change shares a number of times each plowing season to keep the plow in the ground.
 
As a foot note;  The new D14 and new 3-14 plow were set up by the dealer-(I was driving) and they would not leave it until the plow had the right draft which was when the right front wheel would lightly drift against the furrow wall(not into it hard, just enough to guide), in other words, hands free(well almost) plowing. 


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well i'm not ready to give up....but everytime i drive a different tractor, i realize how uncomfortable those Allis's really are for a 6ft tall large framed guy.  and the shorter tires in the back provide more bouncing around and makes you feel like you have less control.....now on the other hand i was following my dad with a 3-14 little genius plow thats worn out and converted from rope trip to hyd lift and we couldn;t get it set right and it left a crappy furrow and he was digging up Chinamen!  he thinks hes going to send that plow down the road to a different zip code!   so thats where the basis of my frustration started, and, I hate to say it, everyone stay in there seats, i was plowing with dads 1936 JD A, and a 2-12 intl plow...that plow should be bronzed(just ask Jim), it cuts even, goes in everytime and stays in and pulls straight, and i had room on the JD to turn part of the way around, rest my arm on the backrest and just chug along with little effort from me.   thats where the frustration came from....i had to get that story out before Jim let the cat out of the bag so you got the "real" story.  LOL
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but i can;t stand the sound of that damn green machine!
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Jeff - Just a final note.  I believe you are on the right track to getting the plow adjusted.
Get all the adjustments to work and go back and retry.  As for how it was adjusted before, It probably wasnt.  The fellow probably found the loose beam screw and decided to just weld it.  It happens!  I bought a CA and the hand clutch didn't work.  Found out the guy just welded it together rether than repair.  I had to cut apart and rebuild.  Works fine now.  -  AL
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