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HudCo 
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 Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 6:22pm |
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i am all for doing swaps , i am sure when its done it will look like it was meant to be there , also if the projects are done right you end up with somthing much better than when it was new
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Michael V (NM)
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Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 7:33pm |
I'm getting that the power steering is a big hold up on some of the older 17's, 170,175,,, so,, how about doing a steering setup similar to 7000-8000 series,, yea, more fab work,, but ya could rob the later gleaner combines of their orbit type steering and cylinder,,,,sooo.... maybe an option??
really like this project,, I'm watching and learning,
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DrAllis
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Posted: 13 Nov 2023 at 9:57pm |
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Power steering on D-17 III and older is not that bad to do. I've mounted a steering control orbitrol unit under the fuel tank (from a 170-200) and then connected it to an orbit motor that is connected to the manual worm steering gear in the front support. Works very well. The series 4 D-17 gas and older 170/175 won't let the engine sit flush to the bellhousing. So, that 1 inch spacer causes all kinds of power steering issues if you want to keep it looking relatively stock. On the later 170/175 they did have the power steering ram on the front axle tie rod, so there is no issue. The early/older 170/175's are not like that and have a steering cylinder that is horizontal to the engine at the right front corner of the engine, which there is no room for. Making a sideways steering cylinder connected to the tie rods would be a challenge the way the front axle is designed on the older 170/175's.
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DSeries4
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Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 3:58pm |
[QUOTE=Michael V (NM)]I'm getting that the power steering is a big hold up on some of the older 17's, 170,175,,, so,, how about doing a steering setup similar to 7000-8000 series,, yea, more fab work,, but ya could rob the later gleaner combines of their orbit type steering and cylinder,,,,sooo.... maybe an option??
really like this project,, I'm watching and learning,
No steering issues on the 170/175. They are fully hydraulic, so there is no mechanical linkage to get in way of fitting another engine in the chassis. The D series are the problem children in that respect.
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JC-WI
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Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 6:22pm |
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D Series, That depends on which series your talking about, the earlier or the later... The later 170/175 had the cylinder on the tie rod which eliminated the cylinder along the frame.
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tbran
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Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 8:29pm |
What about electric power steering add ons - started in Satun then many others. Now there are many universal power steering - or electrical assist kits on the market.
Saw one of there on a M Farmall I think years ago and it was neat and worked well - cept for the front end shimmy which didn't have anything to do with PS... Jus cut out a 4" section of steering rod and wa-la!
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soggybottomboy
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Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 8:30pm |
I have always wondered if the pto speed could be slowed down on the 175 tractor. The pto is turning 665 rpm at 2000 engine rpm and that is very fast. Could that be slowed down by putting in gears from a different AC tractor? The D19 also was rated at 2000 engine rpm and the pto was slower, 605 if i remember correctly.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 8:45pm |
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D-19 gearing will fit and work to slow the PTO about 10%. The negative is then, low side on the hand clutch is also 10% slower.
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coggonobrien
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Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 10:51am |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElYN5l1ocfg
If somebody can remind me how to embed youtube videos I will update this.
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DSeries4
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Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 2:55pm |
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D Series, That depends on which series your talking about, the earlier or the later... The later 170/175 had the cylinder on the tie rod which eliminated the cylinder along the frame.
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170/175s never had the steering cylinders along the frame. Early models had the cylinder built into the front casting. Later models had the external cylinder that runs parallel to the front axle.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 5:12pm |
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All the One-Seventy's and 175's prior to 2053 (??) had a SIMILAR power steering cylinder (inside the right side frame) to a series IV D-17. It is smaller in diameter and moved forward as compared to the D-17 ( longer wheelbase). I'm guessing it butts up very close to the right front corner of the Perkins engine, but not past it. It does run alongside the oil pan on the G-226 gas engines. It is small enough in diameter and more forward to where you can pretty handily remove and replace the oil pan on a gas engine. D-17 moocho more difficult by comparison. It is this side mount cylinder that causes issues with the 433-TI swap, as the 433-TI engine is longer than a Perkins !! so I think there would be interference. Anyway, the later tractors do have the crossways ram on the tie rods making the engine swap to 433-TI easy.
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HudCo
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Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 7:26pm |
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dang that shop looks cold i am glad mine stays 62
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DrAllis
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Posted: 27 Nov 2023 at 7:52pm |
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It would have been 38 to 40 degrees that day, and if anyone knows how those little engines start, that was a pretty darn good first start with a fresh OH and bleed on the injection pump. Mine is 62 on SOME days !!! Out of the wind is huge for me.
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 28 Nov 2023 at 7:34am |
Hey Dr, at least you aren't "homeless" anymore! lmfao!
Awesome project btw!
Edited by injpumpEd - 28 Nov 2023 at 7:34am
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orangeman
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Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 6:12pm |
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Great Thread and Nice work! ~ Orangeman
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DrAllis
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Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 8:26pm |
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Got the valve cover off tonite, so I'll run the tappets and install a new valve cover gasket next. Hopefully by Saturday nite, I'll have the turbo mounted (backwards and raised one inch) and its oil lines fabbed up and the crossover air tube. I may be able to leave the intercooler after all, which would be kind of cool as long as I can squeak it under the hood lines. I'm also thinking the fuel tank will be OK fine as it is, but it will be a close fit with a 1000 CCA battery behind it.
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Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 8:59pm |
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What a BEAST the Dr is forming in his laboratory! Incredible!
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DrAllis
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 7:54am |
Edited by DrAllis - 03 Dec 2023 at 8:23am
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DrAllis
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 8:25am |
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Got a little more done yesterday. You can see the 3 inch offset in the turbo. Turning it around gets it inside the hood lines so no need to butcher the hood. Raising it up an inch is then needed to clear the injectors. The exhaust elbow I'll have to fabricate as this one comes out almost in the center of the hood, which is unacceptable. Intercooler gets to stay !! I can make room after all !!
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 10:48am |
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Doc I can loan ya a couple shoehorns…..
Awesome fitting!
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 1:32pm |
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would the later version manifold made the turbo fitting easier? It slopes away
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DrAllis
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 1:53pm |
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The 6000 series tractors are a different exhaust manifold that curl up and in towards the valve cover. Might work, but costs $$$$. Then, you have a perfectly good 45 year old 1978 turbo that you cannot, no way in he&& "clock" the center section to make it work with a different manifold. So, that would mean a different turbo to go with the different manifold. This works just as well and utilizes the parts that came on the engine with a little fabrication.
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 3:55pm |
DrAllis wrote:
Got a little more done yesterday. You can see the 3 inch offset in the turbo. Turning it around gets it inside the hood lines so no need to butcher the hood. Raising it up an inch is then needed to clear the injectors. The exhaust elbow I'll have to fabricate as this one comes out almost in the center of the hood, which is unacceptable. Intercooler gets to stay !! I can make room after all !! |
Looks great DrAllis. Very nice arrangement of exhaust manifold/turbo/intake tube/intercooler. In order to relocate exhaust pipe out of hood in a more favorable location, would rotating the turbo's exhaust exbo outward (like 1/4 turn, if thats possible?) help before doing any fabrication to it upward direction?
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DrAllis
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 4:36pm |
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Maybe, but it would be real close to the hood as it has a 2 1/4" offset to it the wrong way. 2 1/4" offset the other way would be near perfect !! I still like the idea of trying to align it with the pre-cleaner up ahead for best visibility. We'll see maybe the next trip to the farm when I make the turbo install permanent.
Edited by DrAllis - 04 Dec 2023 at 8:23am
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Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 4:59pm |
Good Dr, this is a real learning experience for me! The pics are a big help, but I'd love to be there to watch you doing this. I've never had any Allis newer than a Series II D-17.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 04 Dec 2023 at 9:10pm |
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You are correct. I was thinking the other manifold leaned away. Black engine F2-3? had that manifold and turbo.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 9:08am |
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Slowly coming around. Going to have to shorten the fuel tank a bit after all to make things fit correctly.
Edited by DrAllis - 18 Dec 2023 at 7:10pm
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Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 9:59am |
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Well you got the exhaust snaked around nicely!
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Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 11:30am |
DrAllis, I love watching your projects come together. It looks like the oil fill is on top of the valve cover. I'm not familiar with the 433 engines and i'm wondering if there is another place to add oil when the hood is on? The 301 has the filler on the side of the engine and I couldn't see another place to add oil in the pictures. Thanks Steve
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