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HOFarm
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Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 7:20pm |
Ive seen how the old AC hd-11’s can be a parts hunt. How bout the 80’s FA 11b, i cant seem to find a good parts site. Can Case or CNH get parts for these? Should one avoid these dozer even if for a good price. Looking at one of these possible over a case 1450.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31155 |
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MINNPAR is about the best access to what is available, CNH dealers that will go thru the effort CAN access some residuals still in system but these tractors are now forty plus years old with parts sourcing depleting as we speak. Rails and UC is Unobtanium USA now, can Mod it for Cat Rollers and 6.91 Pitch Cat rails but is a Job. Engine parts trans parts, finals, just not much that has not been picked over. If would have one and have to got to that level of modification would be better off buying a old Cat.
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HOFarm
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I appreciate that! Thank you for the insight and info! The problem im finding is a cat cost twice if not three times as much for a 40 year old 35k lbs machine. Like the finding something cheaper than that to use on our farm.
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DMiller
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Been there done that and spent as much keeping it moving than had I bought a parts common machine in better shape to start.
Biggest concern became not the small parts I could interchange to industrial styles but the final drive gears, pumps that I had to convert the drive mechanisms, the fuel injection system no one would touch as no pieces and engine parts NLA beyond gaskets, for the subsystems that made it all functional. My own is gone, had it really functional had a severe failure repaired that and sent it packing as had used up the last known repair part for the brakes. Could have re-engineered replacement parts but expense was driving me away from that. All too much was/is unique to Allis that is no longer made and would require a design change to repair.
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HOFarm
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Might be able to pick this up less than $10k. Blade looks to be off a IH dozer. Been in a barn for 15 years. “Recent” drive rebuild. New batteries. Hour meter doesnt work. I can try and up load other pictures.
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HOFarm
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DMiller
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Already see a problem, Right Side upper rear roller is drooping, has a failed bearing, NLA for roller or internals.
The ONLY way I would buy another FA Construction series would be if all the UC was Newly installed, Unused and that will not happen. Has a IH Blade on it, not certain why that had to be swapped as blades can be rebuilt. Again these machines will have parts availability issues you may not be able to contend with. Edited by DMiller - 12 Nov 2020 at 5:40am |
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HOFarm
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i agree! Look at the left side how the blade is attached to the UC frame... looks like the IH blade is smaller on that pin.
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HOFarm
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Again, thank you for your input. Definitely dont need another headache at all. I dont mind old machine if parts are easy to get, but easter egg hunts are terrible with work is pilling up. What would a machine like this be worth to you?
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farmtoybuilder
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Buy a Cat if you have work to do! and parts are available!
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5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them.
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HOFarm
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i agree now. Done some more research on these FA’s and im thinking they are a head ache. Would a d6 be about the same size as a 11B?
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Eric B
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[QUOTE=farmtoybuilder]Buy a Cat if you have work to do! and parts are available!
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Currently- WD,WC,3WF's,2 D14's B. Previously- I 600,TL745,200,FL9,FR12,H3,816 LBH. Earth has no sorrow that Heaven cannot heal!
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DMiller
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Almost bigger D6C to 11B
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Mactractor
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You will be tearing down the Cat to do major servicing just as you would with any brand of crawler, so make sure you get all the specialized hydraulic pullers necessary to that with Cat tractors unless you want to pay the Cat agent techs to do it for you. You don't need all that tooling to service the Allis tractor. You will learn from expense and experience that the tractor you photographed is not 'JUNK' at all. There are a number of us on here that run them, and we did not arrive with the last shower of rain. We have many thousands of hours both running and wrenching on crawlers. I think you picked the wrong forum to use the word junk with them. Go back to the forum that told you they were junk, and get 'expert' advise there on what you should buy.
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DMiller
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Sorry Mac as to being negative on here, but dealt with close to eight years of fussing, floundering, modifying pieces and parts salvaging used stuff where the stockpiles are dwindling here. Rails Rollers, pins bushings and other hard parts are just becoming non existent in the states. Can have pieces freighted in from Asia or EU or even AU but cost prohibitive as rates are near as much as components and the machines that use them failing across the country to be scrapped rather than salvaged as rode out slick.
No Fuel injection pieces for AMBAC PSB, tender old systems that are becoming ever more age frail do fail and no place to acquire adequate pieces to fix here. I have been educated to pick my battles, with FA in the US is a problem Orphan anymore.
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HOFarm
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I was asking if they were junk. Maybe you failed to notice the “?” on this thread. Notice most the discussion is about parts and how hard they are to find. I think we have addressed only that. Pretty sure no one has come out and said they were/are junk.
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Mactractor
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In that case, there was no need for you to use the word?
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DMiller
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Not so much 'Junk' as Job Security maybe?
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Lazyts
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Now we are on my favorite topic- Allis Chalmers HD11 Series B. This is a 100 percent Allis Chalmers product- no need to think about FIAT! That one looks like a late 72 or early 73 model, judging by changes made to ROPS and front hardnose during that time. Robert Bosch injection pump, 140 HP- competed directly with Cat D6C in that time period. The best part about them has already been mentioned- extremely cheap horsepower, and if you aren't afraid to get your hands dirty, it's a match made in heaven. Might want a parts machine though...
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Lazyts
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As to the carrier roller- these machines had a weakness there- shafts on the carrier rollers were too small and subject to bending in tough conditions, especially if there was mud or debris packing in the tracks to the point where the track release would be needed. There have been various mods to deal with this problem, most commonly re-working the tower to take a Cat D5 roller (heavier shaft). Sadly parts are getting scarce, but only makes it easier for the buyer to make a deal.
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Lazyts
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Steve allis dozer
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Is that your cab heater the black hose on the bonnet ?
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gemdozer
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Friend of mine should have parts for these HD11
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Tad Wicks
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My uncle had an early B that had the International Harvester 100 series pump used on the 300 and 400 series diesel engines. |
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DMiller
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The AMBAC style did not remain on them long swapping to Inline Bosch style IIRC in 79 or 80 on the B series. Looked at a fire damaged 11B near Mexico MO a year back was a early variant or had an engine swap where was AMBAC equipped.
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Lazyts
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The black hose is my "redneck heater"- made out of misc. plumbing parts
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Ian Beale
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Have you suggested that to KOO? |
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DMiller
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All may become a moot point as our elected officials change here. EPA is set to gain a decisive if not controlling aspect to what machines are allowed to stay serviceable due to emissions levels. The 'New' camp is more entuned to CARB guidelines as to rule making for Older machinery.
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HOFarm
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getting my hands dirty is definitely not an issue and something i enjoy with these type of machine. I am bummed about the lack of parts. I dont mind tearing into rebuilding almost anything on our pc220-3, but i have a Komatsu dealer 30 mins away and several other parts dealers local. Id love to pick this thing up cheap for our farm to reclaim more pastures with, im afraid it will become an expensive deer stand with lack of parts. However im new to AC and FA so maybe i got it wrong, maybe i should buy it. Guy down the road might sell his 77 Komatsu d65e, but for a lot more money :(
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HOFarm
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looks like your using it for what id want to use it for!!
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