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Bob D. (La) 
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 Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 6:44am |
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Really enjoying your videos. Though it's a true basket case, so far it seems you have all the major components/parts to get somewhat close to a completed tractor.God Bless.
Reminds me of a 5020 basket case/boxes, piles, and buckets of parts I purchased for my bother-in-law about 15 years ago. His wife still has the tractor and uses it somewhat regularly. It was a 2 + year project.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 11:05am |
I have found different shots of this tractor while going google searches trying to figure things out.Here is one:
Here is an old thread with more pics of this machine, and some info on at least where it was back then. I have no idea if it is still there. If anyone knows the whereabouts of this now, I'd like to hear. https://www.mytractorforum.com/threads/allis-chalmers-6-12-1919.29235/
Interesting note, if you look at this shot you can clearly see the spark plug wire loom part I was talking about in my box of parts! The thing that looks like a metal gas can spout. But is also has the wooden spark plug wire holder that mounts to the top of the exhaust manifold in the bosses. But I can't understand where the sheet metal strap on the spout is mounting to? Or maybe it is just dangling there? Because there are no mounting bosses on the intake manifold for that screw to thread into, at least not on mine. So some more head scratching will need to be done on this...
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Jacob Swanson
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Dave H (NE)
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Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 11:54am |
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Jacob the strap mounts on the exhaust manifold top of no. 2 port.
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Ted J
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 7:16am |
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Jacob, you have a lot more patience than I do. This is a great thread and shows how younger guys are getting the bug and finding these old tractors so rewarding. God bless you and help you through this whole ordeal. I'll keep following and loving the pics and videos you are sharing. This is GREAT for others who might be interested in some of this old iron. Norm is one of the nicest people to work with and always goes out of his way to help others.
Good luck and buy a lottery ticket?
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Dave(inMA)
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 12:29pm |
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I just finished watching all of your videos, Jacob. Pretty interesting stuff! Please keep posting them as you make progress - we armchair (and the real) restorers are cheering you on!!
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:12pm |
Thanks guys, I appreciate the kind words. Yes, patience is a must for any restoration, especially for old basket cases. I'll keep pecking away on it this winter, and I'll do my best to keep you updated. As a matter of fact, here is the latest installment in this restoration series. Enjoy! [TUBE]2NHsYnkXJDQ[/TUBE]
And as usual, I've been adding pics to my Google Photos album here: Check them out if you're interested.
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Jacob Swanson
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Posted: 12 Jan 2020 at 9:34pm |
Jacob, Thanks for the update. I now know a little more about your tractor! Good details and explanation! Regards, Chris
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 19 Jan 2020 at 8:09pm |
Here is part 10. As always, comments, questions, and suggestions are welcome![TUBE]SZjY8x4WgMU[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 8:20pm |
Hot off the press, here is part 11. [TUBE]6q2WrhPwRdo[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Dave(inMA)
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Posted: 26 Jan 2020 at 9:12pm |
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Enjoying watching you work your way through this, Jacob. Thanks for posting these videos.
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Phil Stier
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Posted: 01 Feb 2020 at 3:39pm |
Does anyo ![Image result for allis chalmers 6-12"](https://live.staticflickr.com/4100/4907844902_89b92cbbf8_b.jpg "Image result for allis chalmers 6-12"") ne know where this 6-12 is? This picture was on yesterdays tractor.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 10:13pm |
I don't know any information on that machine Phil, but hopefully someone else does?
It was a busy weekend here. I got a lot done, had to break the video into three parts so YouTube would let me upload it.
Here is part 12: [TUBE]MX9lD1ZqIQ4[/TUBE]
And here is part 13, looking for information: [TUBE]biy-z0bGpV4[/TUBE]
and part 14: [TUBE]CKdcFvhqZg8[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Alberta Phil
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Posted: 03 Feb 2020 at 10:56am |
Jacob. The babbit bearings in those trumpet housings appear to be in separate sleeves and were probably lined with babbit as separate units. They would then have been installed in the housings, assembled to the main casting, and then line bored to final size in place. I had a 1935 MG with an OHC six cylinder engine that was built that way. The front and rear bearings were babbitted sleeves and the two center mains were babbitted also. All the bearing housings were assembled into the block and then all were line bored to final size. I did all the babbitting back then.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 8:45pm |
Thanks Phil, Babbitting is still something on my list to learn and do some day.
This week I have a few questions for you all. Check out my latest video part 15. Thanks, looking forward to hearing your opinions.
[TUBE]wDk2a09g6Ho[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 16 Feb 2020 at 9:14pm |
Not a lot of progress to show this week. Pretty short video as a result. Ended up swinging up to Crosby, ND to see what was happening at John's shop with Lawrence on Saturday. Always fun to see the projects progressing there!
Edited by Jacob (WI,ND) - 16 Feb 2020 at 9:14pm
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Jacob Swanson
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 7:34am |
 Jacob (WI,ND) wrote:
Babbitting is still something on my list to learn and do some day.
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My old boss had the same idea when working on his early Hart Parr 30-60. He spent a lot of time researching and talking to different people before setting up to try and pour a new bearing. He wasn't happy at all with the results, so he had me split a piece of 660 bronze, solder it back together and chuck it in the lathe to turn new bearings. I had done it many times before for all different sizes of punch presses, but that was a first for a tractor bearing. That was about 15 years ago, and those bearings are still doing the job.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 18 Feb 2020 at 9:11pm |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
My old boss had the same idea when working on his early Hart Parr 30-60. He spent a lot of time researching and talking to different people before setting up to try and pour a new bearing. He wasn't happy at all with the results, so he had me split a piece of 660 bronze, solder it back together and chuck it in the lathe to turn new bearings.
I had done it many times before for all different sizes of punch presses, but that was a first for a tractor bearing. That was about 15 years ago, and those bearings are still doing the job.
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From what I hear and read, babbitting is like anything, takes some time to learn the tricks, and takes some practice (and usually a few failures) to get the hang of it. But I don't think it is that hard. A bit time consuming. Some day I'll learn.
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Jacob Swanson
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 9:27am |
Jacob (WI,ND) wrote:
From what I hear and read, babbitting is like anything, takes some time to learn the tricks, and takes some practice (and usually a few failures) to get the hang of it. But I don't think it is that hard. A bit time consuming. Some day I'll learn. |
I believe you're right. The biggest problem learning the does and don'ts may be that there aren't many left around to teach it. One thing for sure, temperatures of the Babbitt and the part to be poured are critical for a good pour.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 8:47pm |
Here is this weeks progress. Got more done this week, which was nice. Please give me your opinions on the questions I have, I value your advice. Thanks! [TUBE]IDOlofuI6l8[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 10:37am |
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I've run across those special lock washers on other vintage tractors and the small lip on the one side of the lockwasher usually goes to the hole in the casting. It faces away from the underside of the bolt. I believe it was to more or less center the fastener in the hole.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 24 Feb 2020 at 8:31pm |
Alberta Phil wrote:
I've run across those special lock washers on other vintage tractors and the small lip on the one side of the lockwasher usually goes to the hole in the casting. It faces away from the underside of the bolt. I believe it was to more or less center the fastener in the hole.
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All the ones I took apart here were orientated with the lip towards the bolt head. Not saying that someone hasn't been into things and changed around since leaving factory. That's just how I found them.
And just for the record, they definitely ARE formed this way and not just deformed from getting sucked into the bolt hole, as has been suggested to me from other people. They are all made this way, even the little ones.
They are definitely stronger than "modern" style ones, and dig into the heads of the bolts good. I had to file the burs off the heads of the bolts that the lock washers left behind.
I haven't been able to find a single picture or reference to this style of lock washer on the internet anywhere. I am assuming it was a short lived idea? Kinda like the DOT style screw on grease fittings, which were only used for a handful of years in the late '20's.
Has anyone else ran into this style of lock washer?
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:07pm |
Hi everyone, here is this weeks progress. Working on the transmission was a nice change of pace. What are your thoughts on the gear mesh between the transmission pinion and differential gear? [TUBE]QI992fQUtuY[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 9:47pm |
This week I got some more of the transmission done, and a few other details worked out.
[TUBE]JaElFQx-0XE[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 15 Mar 2020 at 8:15pm |
Things are finally going together for good, fun times indeed!
[TUBE]_72jNNN2eg4[/TUBE]
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Jacob Swanson
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 9:01pm |
Part 21, not a ton done this week, but any progress is good progress. [TUBE]7a-5_UfeVCI[/TUBE]
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 30 Mar 2020 at 7:10pm |
Mostly finished up the bead roller. Update on what Dad has been getting done back on the home front.
[TUBE]xozDwAuBrr8[/TUBE]
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Posted: 31 Mar 2020 at 2:45am |
Jacob, check the metal quality between the old pins and that nail...Sure wouldn't want you having to go back in just because of a too soft a nail. jmo. Lookin good 
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 31 Mar 2020 at 7:21pm |
JC(WI) wrote:
Jacob, check the metal quality between the old pins and that nail...Sure wouldn't want you having to go back in just because of a too soft a nail. jmo. Lookin good
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I probably wasn't clear enough in the video, but I actually ended up using a cut up bolt instead of the nail. I think it will be ok, the original pins are pretty soft as well. And even if I need to replace them, it is easy to take apart. I could actually get some more precise pins at that time too if it comes to that. Thanks for the input! It will be more exciting when I actually get to use it.
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Jacob (WI,ND)
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:15pm |
I decided to get back on my 6-12 project, I've been away from it for over a month with trying to adhere to the social distancing guidelines and all. But to a certain extent life must go on. This is still one of the only places I'm going out to besides the essentials like work and grocery shopping.
SO, without further ado, here is part 23:
[TUBE]-4blcgSAhwg[/TUBE]
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Bob D. (La)
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Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 7:04am |
Jacob, Thanks for posting these updates. I have been watching your progress and am amazed at your ingenuity and attention to detail. There are very few people who have the patience and skill that you display. God Bless.
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