190XT Questions about Serial #, PTO, & more.

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   Hey there, everyone!

Forewarning.. This is my first A-C ever, so some questions may be pretty dumb. I apologize in advance! 

So I recently picked up this 190XT. I've already addressed that in another post. Now I have questions about them/it..
I was told it was a 1969.. But according to the serial number, in all of its glorious quality stamping, it's either a 1968 or a 1971. Either 20519 or 29519. So that's nice.
Thoughts on the serial?

Next question!
I've heard rumor that they never made 190XT Series III with the G-2800 engine. This definitely has a G-2800 engine. But it also appears to be a Series III, and it is definitely a 190XT. I am looking for insight on this, as well as ways to differentiate a cab tractor (no fenders) between series. One thing I seem to have found is about the gauges. They removed the traction booster gauge with the Series III, as best I can tell. Mine follows this path.

Next question!
I'm aware that some were made with 540 PTO, some with 1000 PTO and some with dual (540/1000) PTO. My PTO shaft appears to be 540, as it has 6 splines. But how do I know if it is dual? I know it is unlikely. But I read somewhere that the duals had the "big" PTO shift stick, and mine certainly seems to compared to what I've seen in manuals.

Last question.. for now!
I remember reading somewhere about these tic-tac-toe stampings on the rear axle, but can anyone remind me what they mean, if anything?

That's all for now, although I am sure I'll have more questions later! I know this forum is full of great people and great knowledge, so I appreciate any responses anyone might have.
Thank you in advance!

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Fantrum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fantrum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 190XT Questions about Serial #, PTO, & more. Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:14pm
	Hey there, everyone! Forewarning.. This is my first A-C ever, so some questions may be pretty dumb. I apologize in advance! So I recently picked up this 190XT. I've already addressed that in another post. Now I have questions about them/it.. I was told it was a 1969.. But according to the serial number, in all of its glorious quality stamping, it's either a 1968 or a 1971. Either 20519 or 29519. So that's nice. Thoughts on the serial? Next question! I've heard rumor that they never made 190XT Series III with the G-2800 engine. This definitely has a G-2800 engine. But it also appears to be a Series III, and it is definitely a 190XT. I am looking for insight on this, as well as ways to differentiate a cab tractor (no fenders) between series. One thing I seem to have found is about the gauges. They removed the traction booster gauge with the Series III, as best I can tell. Mine follows this path. Next question! I'm aware that some were made with 540 PTO, some with 1000 PTO and some with dual (540/1000) PTO. My PTO shaft appears to be 540, as it has 6 splines. But how do I know if it is dual? I know it is unlikely. But I read somewhere that the duals had the "big" PTO shift stick, and mine certainly seems to compared to what I've seen in manuals. Last question.. for now! I remember reading somewhere about these tic-tac-toe stampings on the rear axle, but can anyone remind me what they mean, if anything? That's all for now, although I am sure I'll have more questions later! I know this forum is full of great people and great knowledge, so I appreciate any responses anyone might have. Thank you in advance!

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DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20875	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:22pm
	190XT gas s/n 26855 and up had the newer 200 style hydraulic pump. Picture of your hyd pump please.

Fantrum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fantrum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 10:30pm
	Alright. I tried google, but I'll just ask the stupid question. Lol. Where might the hydraulic pump be? I'm assuming around the hydraulic filter on the right-side ("passenger") under the cab.. But would that be accurate? EDIT: Well, I may be about to prove my stupidity.. But I think this is it. Forgive me, as it's covered in oil. Edited by Fantrum - 04 Feb 2021 at 10:50pm

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20875	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:01pm
	Your serial number is 20519.

Carl(NWWI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 954	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carl(NWWI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:03pm
	Serial number is definitely 20519. Has the older style hydraulic pump as well matching what the Dr said. The 0 stamp doesn’t match the 9 stamp.

Fantrum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fantrum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:05pm
	Thank you both for that! So does this mean it cannot be a Series III?

Carl(NWWI) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: NW WI Points: 954	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carl(NWWI) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:05pm
	Correct, not a series 3

Fantrum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fantrum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 Feb 2021 at 11:07pm
	Interesting. The Series III idea was the only explanation I had for my gauges to be different than the manuals. Any idea on that now? Also, I don't think it really matters, but any way to tell between Series I and II? Again, no fenders, which seems to be the common method.

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20875	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 6:22am
	Series 1 has 2-bar grille. Series 2 has no bar grille like a series 3.

DCAC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511	Post Options Post Reply Quote DCAC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 9:00am
	Your tractor has the 540 only PTO, manually shifted with the big lever on the left side of the seat as in your picture. The dual pto is identified by the pto shaft itself as it will a circular plate with 3 bolt holes around the shaft.

DCAC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511	Post Options Post Reply Quote DCAC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 9:52am
	I believe it was tbran that explained the # marks on the rear axle in a recent post, and they mean the rear axles are the bigger sized ones, and that the rear end has the updates. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, :).

DanWi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1838	Post Options Post Reply Quote DanWi Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 12:45pm
	Dual PTO has a 4 bolt flange that is part of your shaft. if you can unbolt it and turn it around it would have a 1000 shaft on the other side. Looking at pictures in your other posts it appears that you have the late model fenders with a cab mounted over them and also the later grill. Edited by DanWi - 05 Feb 2021 at 12:52pm

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 20875	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 2:18pm
	Big diameter axles (3 1/4") were NOT an "update". They were a running change/improvement and were never installed in an older tractor with A-C's check book.

DCAC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511	Post Options Post Reply Quote DCAC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 3:53pm
	Thanks for setting me straight on that, Dr.!

DCAC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 20 Oct 2018 Location: east central SD Points: 511	Post Options Post Reply Quote DCAC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 3:55pm
	Dan is correct, 4 bolts instead of 3, my mistake

Fantrum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240	Post Options Post Reply Quote Fantrum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Feb 2021 at 4:59pm
	@DCAC Thanks! I really appreciate your input on all points! I'm learning a lot from this forum and appreciate everyone helping so much! @DrAllis Thanks for all of your help! Always love to read your posts as you seem extremely knowledgeable on.. everything! Ha! Thanks! @DanWi Thanks for that correction and input! Loving learning about these things, even if they're not incredibly necessary details!