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Charlie175 
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:29am |
Curious, saw an old advertisement where the 185 and 190 (Non-Turbo) were offered at the same time. 74 hp vs 77 hp
I would think the 190 would have been the better deal, but was it?
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:50am |
Non turbo 190 was introduced in 1964 and went until 1973 (give or take). 185 came out in 1970, so yes there was some overlap. For some reason they also did that with the 170 and 175 - only a couple of ponies difference, but there were 3 years overlap.
I wasn't around at the time, so I can't comment on the price difference. I can say that the 190 is a very heavy tractor for just 77 horsepower. A 185 could probably do the same if not more work in a lighter chassis.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:55am |
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I Had both at the same time, I sold my 190 in 1980, Wish I had it back, I like the 190 over the 185 personally, I like the floor board area and everything to my side, instead of the high/low up in front as well as the throttle and the PTO lever to the left, How ever I have been trying to buy the 185 back since I know where it is located. But I would buy the 190 back in a heart beat if I could find it.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:19am |
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I agree. Though the 180/185 are great tractors, I prefer the layout of a 190.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:22am |
Which ever one had the PTO that hydraulicly engaged would be my choice,mechanical engaging PTO that the tractor has to be stopped to put the PTO in gear
is aggravating with a round baler,plus with the 190 the PTO lever is hard to reach.I've never seen a 180 or 185 that didn't have hydraulic PTO and rarely see a 190 with it for some reason.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:53am |
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Interesting Gary, between myself, my brother and Dad we have four 190 tractors and a 200 and all but the 1965 straight 190 have hydraulic PTO. The 1965 XT has a hydraulic PTO as does the 1967 XT, the 1970 XT, the 1971 XT and the 200. The manual PTO on the straight 190 is a bear to get your fingers under the knob to pull it up if you have gloves on because it's right down on the floor to the left of the seat. All the hydraulic ones are on the right side console and not bad to work at all. My brother has the only 180 we have ever had and it's manual PTO. I have two cousins, one with a 180 and one with a 185 and both are manual PTO.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:04am |
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I think when went to series 2 190/190XT the manual engage pto became a long lever on left that was next to the left side of seat. Not sure on the timeline of it. Seems every series 1 I see has the short lever on the floor, and series 2/3 I see has the long lever, all of these are the non hyd clutch style. The hyd engaged all have the lever on the inside of the console, that I've ever seen.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:05am |
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It seems to me the 185 was a lower priced tractor than a 190.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:33am |
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185 was less $$$$ than a 190 for sure. It was a different class of tractor in the sense that a 190/190XT had the platform 48" off the ground for high-in-the-saddle field work, and the 180/185 were a little more friendly as a bigger "chore" tractor. As one gets older he notices little things like that platform height.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:52am |
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I hate the control location on them!--190 all the way for me!
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 1:09pm |
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I don't absolutely hate the controls on a 180/185...... still a lot better than the 4010 and first half production of the 4020 and the same goes for the 06 series IH. They sucked to run in most situations IMO. Olivers that I ran like the 1600 and 1850 weren't too bad.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 1:49pm |
 Lonn wrote:
I don't absolutely hate the controls on a 180/185...... still a lot better than the 4010 and first half production of the 4020 and the same goes for the 06 series IH. They sucked to run in most situations IMO. Olivers that I ran like the 1600 and 1850 weren't too bad.
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I have several Olivers controls are easy on them especially like the 1600 utility.Oliver also had the best way to engage/disengage the PTO simple but worked great.The later model
AC D10/12 tractors had basically the same set up always wondered why AC didn't put it on more of their tractors.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:35pm |
injpumpEd wrote:
I think when went to series 2 190/190XT the manual engage pto became a long lever on left that was next to the left side of seat. Not sure on the timeline of it. Seems every series 1 I see has the short lever on the floor, and series 2/3 I see has the long lever, all of these are the non hyd clutch style. The hyd engaged all have the lever on the inside of the console, that I've ever seen. |
Our '68 XT (series 2) has the pto short lever on the right hand/ lower section of the console ?? IMO, the BEST PTO placement is our hydraulic 180 PTO !!!!
Edited by FREEDGUY - 26 Dec 2019 at 4:38pm
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:38pm |
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My 180 is Manual PTO, neighbors 185 is hydraulic, not too far apart dates wise. His is convertible 540/1000 mine is not.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:43pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
injpumpEd wrote:
I think when went to series 2 190/190XT the manual engage pto became a long lever on left that was next to the left side of seat. Not sure on the timeline of it. Seems every series 1 I see has the short lever on the floor, and series 2/3 I see has the long lever, all of these are the non hyd clutch style. The hyd engaged all have the lever on the inside of the console, that I've ever seen. |
Our '68 XT (series 2) has the pto short lever on the right hand/ lower section of the console ?? IMO, the BEST PTO placement is our hydraulic 180 PTO !!!!
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Any 190 with pto lever on side of console is hydraulic clutch applied.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:44pm |
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DMiller, where is your pto lever located? Ours is directly to the left of the steering wheel, basically like the throttle/PD levers on the right.
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 5:42pm |
Dr Allis, doesn't it say somewhere in Norm's book about pricing the early tractors according to weight. The early green one's, the U's, B's, C's WC's, RC's and so on, list price had a lot to do with shipping weight. The more metal in it, the more it cost to build. The basic 185 would be lighter than the basic 190, possibly making it a more efficient tractor to build. And I guess, as long as the tractors were selling, you may as well keep building them. Leon B MO
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:15pm |
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I do like the controls on our 200 better and it’s nice to have that extra hp, but I really like what can be accomplished with that little 185 and always enjoy running them! I’d sooner hook up to any anything with the 185 because you can see the draw bar without throwing you back out. I’m going out on a limb and say they are more desirable just looking at what they bring compared to a nice XT or 200 in our area. I just think when looking at the XT or 200 one would be better suited with a 8010 or a little more to meet larger equipment requirements.JMO
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:31pm |
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One more thought, I have stalled the 200 more than once doing field work when torque was required at low rpm’s, I have never stalled a 185 with the same equipment in 40 years. Just wanted to waive the 185 flag!lol
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Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:40pm |
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3 things that put the XT above a 185 is the 301 Turbo, big flat platform that allows a great view of the ground and the control layout. Everything to the right including my hydraulic pto, all in easy reach. JMO
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:07am |
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remember guys, we're comparing the straight 190 diesel to the 185, which kinda edged the 190 into extinction. The 190XT/200 is a completely different class of tractor.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:40am |
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I'm pretty sure the only difference being the XT was turboed and the straight 190 was not. IMO, and I was too little to know much at the time, the 185 edged out the 190 on price. The 185 is a great tractor, still to me the 190 beats it in almost every category. I'd bet the price difference was bigger than any little advantage a straight 190 price would justify. And the XT wasn't likely to be much higher than a straight 190, hence bye bye 190.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 10:00am |
190 for me, better brake lock, suspended pedals, tilt steering wheel, more leg room, and the best throttle put on any of the hundred series.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:05pm |
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Maybe the best throttle lever that there has ever been on ANY make or model tractor ??
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:13pm |
OK, I don't know anything about these tractors.......but....What possibly is so awesome about a throttle lever that it gets best all time ranking???  
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:23pm |
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You've never operated a mighty One-Ninety ??
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:51pm |
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Nope. Didn't grow up on an Allis farm. As best as I can recall from my childhood, the one and only Allis tractor I operated back then was a borrowed either D 12 or D 14 raking hay. Then fast forward many years later, a D15 backhoe. Now own a 7045. As far as I recall, never sat my butt on any 100 series. A fringe friend of mine had some at his dairy farm, 4 miles from us, but we weren't "hang out" buddies.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 2:41pm |
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 3:45pm |
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I am surprised of how much strait 190 love there is here. We had one years ago without hydraulic PTO and it was traded for our 2nd 185 because it was more nimble and could do the same work. Didn’t get peanuts for it because the 185’s & XT’s were the hot ticket then. Around here, strait 190’s only bring half the money, XT’s & 200’s are still more reasonably priced. I do like the 200’s for the as mentioned above but the ran 185’s till 1981, someone like them.
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Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 4:10pm |
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Never ran a straight 190. My aunt had an XT and a friend had a 200. I liked the controls of those and the top of the world feeling over buddies step dads 185's
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