185 vs 190
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Topic: 185 vs 190
Posted By: Charlie175
Subject: 185 vs 190
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:29am
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Curious, saw an old advertisement where the 185 and 190 (Non-Turbo) were offered at the same time. 74 hp vs 77 hp I would think the 190 would have been the better deal, but was it? ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:50am
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Non turbo 190 was introduced in 1964 and went until 1973 (give or take). 185 came out in 1970, so yes there was some overlap. For some reason they also did that with the 170 and 175 - only a couple of ponies difference, but there were 3 years overlap. I wasn't around at the time, so I can't comment on the price difference. I can say that the 190 is a very heavy tractor for just 77 horsepower. A 185 could probably do the same if not more work in a lighter chassis. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Steve Bright
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 8:55am
| I Had both at the same time, I sold my 190 in 1980, Wish I had it back, I like the 190 over the 185 personally, I like the floor board area and everything to my side, instead of the high/low up in front as well as the throttle and the PTO lever to the left, How ever I have been trying to buy the 185 back since I know where it is located. But I would buy the 190 back in a heart beat if I could find it. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:19am
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I agree. Though the 180/185 are great tractors, I prefer the layout of a 190. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:22am
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Which ever one had the PTO that hydraulicly engaged would be my choice,mechanical engaging PTO that the tractor has to be stopped to put the PTO in gear is aggravating with a round baler,plus with the 190 the PTO lever is hard to reach.I've never seen a 180 or 185 that didn't have hydraulic PTO and rarely see a 190 with it for some reason.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 9:53am
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Interesting Gary, between myself, my brother and Dad we have four 190 tractors and a 200 and all but the 1965 straight 190 have hydraulic PTO. The 1965 XT has a hydraulic PTO as does the 1967 XT, the 1970 XT, the 1971 XT and the 200. The manual PTO on the straight 190 is a bear to get your fingers under the knob to pull it up if you have gloves on because it's right down on the floor to the left of the seat. All the hydraulic ones are on the right side console and not bad to work at all. My brother has the only 180 we have ever had and it's manual PTO. I have two cousins, one with a 180 and one with a 185 and both are manual PTO. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:04am
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I think when went to series 2 190/190XT the manual engage pto became a long lever on left that was next to the left side of seat. Not sure on the timeline of it. Seems every series 1 I see has the short lever on the floor, and series 2/3 I see has the long lever, all of these are the non hyd clutch style. The hyd engaged all have the lever on the inside of the console, that I've ever seen. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:05am
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It seems to me the 185 was a lower priced tractor than a 190. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:33am
| 185 was less $$$$ than a 190 for sure. It was a different class of tractor in the sense that a 190/190XT had the platform 48" off the ground for high-in-the-saddle field work, and the 180/185 were a little more friendly as a bigger "chore" tractor. As one gets older he notices little things like that platform height. |
Posted By: ac fleet
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 10:52am
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I hate the control location on them!--190 all the way for me! ------------- http://machinebuildersnetwork.com/ |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 1:09pm
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I don't absolutely hate the controls on a 180/185...... still a lot better than the 4010 and first half production of the 4020 and the same goes for the 06 series IH. They sucked to run in most situations IMO. Olivers that I ran like the 1600 and 1850 weren't too bad. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 1:49pm
I have several Olivers controls are easy on them especially like the 1600 utility.Oliver also had the best way to engage/disengage the PTO simple but worked great.The later model AC D10/12 tractors had basically the same set up always wondered why AC didn't put it on more of their tractors.
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Lonn wrote:Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:35pm
Our '68 XT (series 2) has the pto short lever on the right hand/ lower section of the console ?? IMO, the BEST PTO placement is our hydraulic 180 PTO !!!!
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:38pm
| My 180 is Manual PTO, neighbors 185 is hydraulic, not too far apart dates wise. His is convertible 540/1000 mine is not. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:43pm
Any 190 with pto lever on side of console is hydraulic clutch applied. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 4:44pm
| DMiller, where is your pto lever located? Ours is directly to the left of the steering wheel, basically like the throttle/PD levers on the right. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 5:42pm
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Dr Allis, doesn't it say somewhere in Norm's book about pricing the early tractors according to weight. The early green one's, the U's, B's, C's WC's, RC's and so on, list price had a lot to do with shipping weight. The more metal in it, the more it cost to build. The basic 185 would be lighter than the basic 190, possibly making it a more efficient tractor to build. And I guess, as long as the tractors were selling, you may as well keep building them. Leon B MO ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:15pm
| I do like the controls on our 200 better and it’s nice to have that extra hp, but I really like what can be accomplished with that little 185 and always enjoy running them! I’d sooner hook up to any anything with the 185 because you can see the draw bar without throwing you back out. I’m going out on a limb and say they are more desirable just looking at what they bring compared to a nice XT or 200 in our area. I just think when looking at the XT or 200 one would be better suited with a 8010 or a little more to meet larger equipment requirements.JMO |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:31pm
| One more thought, I have stalled the 200 more than once doing field work when torque was required at low rpm’s, I have never stalled a 185 with the same equipment in 40 years. Just wanted to waive the 185 flag!lol |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2019 at 7:40pm
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3 things that put the XT above a 185 is the 301 Turbo, big flat platform that allows a great view of the ground and the control layout. Everything to the right including my hydraulic pto, all in easy reach. JMO ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:07am
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remember guys, we're comparing the straight 190 diesel to the 185, which kinda edged the 190 into extinction. The 190XT/200 is a completely different class of tractor. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:40am
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I'm pretty sure the only difference being the XT was turboed and the straight 190 was not. IMO, and I was too little to know much at the time, the 185 edged out the 190 on price. The 185 is a great tractor, still to me the 190 beats it in almost every category. I'd bet the price difference was bigger than any little advantage a straight 190 price would justify. And the XT wasn't likely to be much higher than a straight 190, hence bye bye 190. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 10:00am
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190 for me, better brake lock, suspended pedals, tilt steering wheel, more leg room, and the best throttle put on any of the hundred series. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:05pm
| Maybe the best throttle lever that there has ever been on ANY make or model tractor ?? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:13pm
OK, I don't know anything about these tractors.......but....What possibly is so awesome about a throttle lever that it gets best all time ranking??? 
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:23pm
| You've never operated a mighty One-Ninety ?? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 12:51pm
Nope. Didn't grow up on an Allis farm. As best as I can recall from my childhood, the one and only Allis tractor I operated back then was a borrowed either D 12 or D 14 raking hay. Then fast forward many years later, a D15 backhoe. Now own a 7045. As far as I recall, never sat my butt on any 100 series. A fringe friend of mine had some at his dairy farm, 4 miles from us, but we weren't "hang out" buddies.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 2:41pm
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Add it to your bucket list! ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 3:45pm
| I am surprised of how much strait 190 love there is here. We had one years ago without hydraulic PTO and it was traded for our 2nd 185 because it was more nimble and could do the same work. Didn’t get peanuts for it because the 185’s & XT’s were the hot ticket then. Around here, strait 190’s only bring half the money, XT’s & 200’s are still more reasonably priced. I do like the 200’s for the as mentioned above but the ran 185’s till 1981, someone like them. |
Posted By: Boss Man
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 4:10pm
| Never ran a straight 190. My aunt had an XT and a friend had a 200. I liked the controls of those and the top of the world feeling over buddies step dads 185's |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 4:59pm
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[QUOTE=Tbone95]
OK, I don't know anything about these tractors.......but....What possibly is so awesome about a throttle lever that it gets best all time ranking???[/QUOTE It's LITERALLY at your wrist sitting in the seat with your forearm resting on the seat arm (right arm). No leaning forward or worse yet, AROUND a steering wheel like other colored tractors (red for sure).
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Posted By: ksbowman
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 8:12pm
| I like my 190, unfortunately it had a lot of hard use before I got it. One thing I have always liked was the fact even though it is well worn it always starts no matter how cold it is. My 180 D is still my favorite though. It is so comfortable, especially when moving pastures all day. |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 9:13pm
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I had always heard how impressive a 190 was from our neighbor as he had a 190XT when I was young boy. He had big tractors compared to other farmers in the 70’s. He traded it in on a 7000 when they came out. He later bought a 185 which I got to drive a few times transporting wagons for him to another farm. I liked the 185 of course, I was a kid driving a new tractor. I never got to drive the 190 before he traded it but he always said he wished he had never sold it. 40 years later I finally came across one to buy for myself and I have been so impressed with it. Even if it wasn’t turbo’d, it is agile for its size and performs very well no matter the task. The big platform gives a great view. All controls within easy reach on your right. “Console Control” was a magnificent design. The 185 was a good tractor, there are quite a few still around our area. IMO the 190 was worth the extra money for a better design even without a turbo. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2019 at 9:20pm
To really have great throttle control a tractor needs a foot throttle as well as a hand throttle.Things like loader work one hand on the steering wheel,one hand on the hydraulic levers and foot throttle to change engine speed easily.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 7:53am
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Interesting. Thanks. Like Gary says, truly great throttle control includes a foot throttle for loader work or a quick boost for a few feet across the yard or some such thing. It was an odd comment to me not being familiar with the tractor. Best all time comments usually are something about fuel economy, power to weight, hydraulic function....all the love for a throttle lever sounds funny! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 9:43am
Maybe because both the 185 and 190 have pretty good fuel economy and both have excellent hydraulics and hydrostatic steering.I don't care for the way the gear shifter works on a 190 though(LOL)
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 4:37pm
Sorry, I have run Case tractors with a foot pedal, doesn't work so well with rough terrain
 , a flat barn yard "might" be the exception, but then there is that much more "linkage" to fail , JMO. Again, it's the placement of the throttle lever on the console that is very convenient  |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 7:43pm
you should have bought a Fiat instead of the crude old Case tractors the Oliver 1365 foot throttle works great anywhere. What do you do with your 4WD drive pickup in rough terrain since it has no hand throttle?(LOL)
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Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 10:42pm
| In the Nebraska tractor test, the One Ninety weighed around nine hundred pounds more than the 185, all on the back wheels. Also, it had around 2-1/2 more hp than the 185 and was a little bit more fuel efficient. Was that small increase in efficiency just the difference of one engine from another, or caused by something else? |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2019 at 11:12pm
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Earlier in the post cost was briefly talked about. According to tractor data the 185 was way more expensive than a 190. $18k for a 185 and $7,800 for a 190. Maybe that’s a 1964 price on the 190, but XT was $8,700. So, unless tractor data is incorrect, that’s a huge difference in price. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 6:37am
| I can assure you, if a 185 and a 190 were built on the same day, the 185 was cheaper. Those prices are NOT in the same time frame/year. The diff between the 190 and 190 XT probably were, as the extra HP and a larger rear tire size would have justified a $900 difference in list price. Does your pricing info refer to a GAS or DIESEL ?? because there was a premium for diesel and the 185 was diesel only...….. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 9:07am
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Tractor data price is generally shown for the first year of production. You need the price book to see each year pricing. Does someone have one to look it up? ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 10:49am
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I think tractor data price is based on last year of production. I have old price guides somewhere. I may even have a 1970 price guide that would give the then current list price and a list of standard equipment for each model. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 3:09pm
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Doc, unfortunately they don’t give what year that price was in effect. I did select diesel on the 190. That’s why I said it may be a 1964 price. I am not doubting your point just stating what tractor data has listed. Bad thing about Allis, records were not well kept by corporate or published. Dealers had much better records, unfortunately those are mostly gone due to dealer closings. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 5:21pm
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I'm sure Allis had good records. Duetz tossed most of it and some was rescued by former employees. I don't remember who but someone wrote that they rescued all they could from a dumpster after Duetz cleaned house..... Norm Swinford? To me Deere had bad record keeping or confusing as Deere itself claims the produced exactly 300,000 each of the model A and model B. Ludicrous! Now I don't have a 1970 price guide, I do have a 1959, 1965, 1966 and 1978. In 1965 a 190 diesel w/narrow front was $7,121 with choice of Snap Coupler or 3-point for that price. No option prices were listed. The last published price for a wide front option on a D19 was $138. For 1966 it lists a diesel 190 with either narrow front or wide front at $7,150 so I assume the same was true for 1965. Same price for either option. Seems weird. The last published price for a 190 "Landhandler" diesel (I didn't think one existed) is $9,100 according to my 1978 guide. It doesn't list what the standard equipment was for that price but it lists the final year price for a straight 190 was 1972. I thought it was 1970 and I thought there were no Landhandler decals on the straight 190. For 1978 the diesel 185 listed for...... lots of inflation took place between 1973 to 1978..... $13,621 standard equipped. But it also lists the last published list price for a 180 which would be 1973 and I assume would not be far from the price of a 1973 185 as they are identical except for fuel settings as far as I know. The diesel 180 for 1973 listed at $8,875.
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 5:32pm
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Almost a 1000 pounds difference in weight and larger tires, larger platform, heavier internal drive components and a 190 has the big field tractor stance over the 185 which has pretty much utility stance but with drop axles to get the row crop capability. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ranger43
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 5:55pm
| very interesting thread..Lonn thanks for sharing that information that's neat to see. I love sitting on out 185, but I have to admit running a low houred tight 190 or 200 with console control is hard to beat. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 6:04pm
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I love both models and a 185 is a better yard tractor so it definitely has it's place for usefulness yet today. The 190 has long been outpaced as a field tractor but can still hold it's own doing the duties that the 185 is great at. That's my opinion. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: ranger43
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 6:07pm
Dr.It would have my vote !! I have run nearly every brand from that era and the IH throttle still baffles me to this day.... and they did it that way for years!!! who thought that was a good idea? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 6:14pm
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Everyone eventually copied the layout of the 190 and for some reason Allis went backwards until the later 8000 series. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2019 at 9:21pm
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Lonn, in 1974, the local AC dealer offered a 185 to me for $7800 dollars and I didn't take him up on it, week later I was in town and it was gone. Kicked myself for not tell him I would take it when he made the offer to me. If I remember right, it had the single set of headlights, but had dual hyd. outlets and hyd. PTO... don't think it was the two spd. sitting on 18.4x30 tires. It looked really nice... and I was almost drooling. From Official Guide 1981 ... & a couple brochures D17IV gas #4645 CI 226 HP54.43 brochure 5960 D17IV D 6185 226 53.43 bro 4969 D17IV LPG 6085 226 53.00 170 gas 5000 226 54.12 170 diesel 5346 236 54.04 175 gas CH 4945 226 60.88 175 diesel 4992 248 62.47 180 gas 5944 265 65.16 180 diesel 6123 301 64.01 185 diesel 6200 301 74.87 D19 gas 6400 262 71.54 D19 diesel 6560 262 66.92 D19 LPG 6300 262 66.19 190 gas 7039 265 75.37 190 diesel 7122 301 77.20 190 diesel 8730 cane 190 Diesel 9036 High Clearance 190XT gas 7454 301 89.53 190XT diesel 7581 301 93.64 190XT LPG 7700* 301 85.25 190XT diesel 8794 cane 190XT diesel 9100 High Clearence * 250 added for tank and accessories ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2019 at 12:02am
| We bought a new 185 in 1972 with 2 hyd. remotes(4 outlets),front weights and hyd. single speed PTO for $7,500.( $100.00 per HP.) It was a good tractor but after we got the 1974 200 with gated PD,we realized how un-handy the controls on the 185 were. All AC tractors from the 190 on should have had the throttle in right hand console. Instead they went backwards until almost the end of 8000 series. A VERY DUMB move by AC. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2019 at 6:42am
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Dad had a deal on a new 185 in 1976 with Year-A-Round cab with heat for $12,500. Dealer wrote the final price with options on a 185 sales brochure which Dad still has. He never did buy it and instead bought a used 190XT gas. It was a nice tractor but boy did it like gasoline. He still kicks himself today. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 11:59am
| Years ago, the allis-Chalmers dealer told me that the 301 in the 185 had a different cam than the One Ninety diesels had. I didn't know whether to believe him then, and i still don't, because i have never heard that anywhere else. I guess it really doesn't matter anyway. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 12:08pm
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Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 12:30pm
| Thanks for the reply. I guess that dealer was talking through hat. People said then that he had to many extracurricular activities. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 4:28pm
| Some I THINK were a new and improved version , something with the gear,, ? Same lobes etc |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 6:02pm
May have had a different cam design due to a 185 having a crank driven oil pump, but it is doubtful it's a different grind as far as performance goes. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2019 at 6:28pm
| In and around 1971 ??, there had been enough broken camshaft noses to warrant a change. The change was to drill a 7/16" hole 4 inches deep into the nose of the camshaft, use a grade 8 bolt and place the camshaft nose under compression, making is much stronger. This is about the same time the timing gears were hardened for longer life, but looking at parts books is a bit confusing as if they both happened at the same time or not ?? All I know is, that all 200 tractors had the hard gears and the long Gr 8 bolt. I would suspect 185's from 1972 on would of as well. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2020 at 3:25pm
| So many variables in comparing these horses. I have a straight one ninety gas with snap coupler hitch and the 265 gas engine, an early one ninety XT diesel with no 3 point, only 540 PTO, and mechanical PTO with the lever beside the seat. My son has a very late model 185 with 3 point, both PTO's, and hydraulic PTO clutch. Might add, too, that the one ninety gasser has the worst PTO engagement ever; the little knob on the floor that you have to try to get a grip on and pull up. With all of that being said, it would be impossible to declare one of them a hands down winner as favorite of the 3. Obviously the XT is ruled out when 3 point work needs to be done. The 185 has a very nice 3 point, but surprisingly, the gasser when using snap coupler to 3 point adapter is about half handy, and makes a good snow blowing tractor being it has a cab and awesome heater. XT is best baling tractor, however a hydraulic PTO clutch would be a 100 per cent improvement. Both one nineties have the best control layout as previously said, but I certainly wouldn't shame the 185 for that. Keeping the detent balls lubed up on the throttle and PTO levers will bring a little new perspective to ya on them. Gasser is obviously the least fuel efficient without question. XT has the most balls by far. Efficiency comparison between the XT and 185 would be splitting frog hairs. Could go on and on and never come up with a favorite. I like them all three and glad to have them. Darrel |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 8:02am
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Posted By: A-C_220
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2020 at 8:05pm
| Being able to control the pto standing beside the tractor when unloading forage wagons or running a auger is what I like about the 185, but for mowing and tillage the high platform view is nice on the 190. |