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    Posted: 03 Oct 2011 at 1:22pm
We are always taught that if we do not have something good to say about someone, we should just say nothing at all. However, I would like to relay what happened when I dropped a CA off at someone's shop in 2007 as this tractor was to be gone through.
 
Monies were left with the tractor up front, along with motor side weights, SC claws and brand new Firestone rear tires (loose). When a fella is obviously busy, you know they cannot drop everything and stay on your tractor exclusively as they must work on multiple projects to keep the flow of money coming in.
Before this, I had viewed a number of tractors this fella had restored and felt confident that I would receive a quality restoration in say, 12-24 months time max? I even went so far as to advise this person that I had a number of units that I would like to have restored, from a D12, up to and including a solid D19D and I could keep him busy for some time. I grew up with an A-C dealer in the family and we had a CA on our dairy.
This CA was my first A-C and I wanted it done up right for sentimental value.
Prior to dropping the tractor off, I had found over a dozen A-C natural gas power units in North Texas, called this fella with the information and he came down from OK and scooped them up quickly; pictures of them were posted for sale on his web page within two weeks (someone else many of us deal with on this site then purchased those engines and ironically, I received a valvetrain for my D12 resto from one of the few engines he took posession of). I believe the purchaser of those engines only received two of them and he is one of the prominent vendors on this site.
Repeated attempts to contact this fella were in vain and I spoke with him only twice since dropping the tractor off. E-mails originally answered (seeking parts/machine work for other A-C friends, as well as updates on my tractor) stopped over two years ago.
When I heard his shop burnt down late last year, I had no choice but to write the affair off until I heard a few months ago that one tractor was left; it was a CA with no rear wheels, and was apparently left right where I had unloaded it in 2007 (now on blocks).
I decided to make the five hour trip and tie this in with visiting Dave Maddux and a trip to Austin's Salvage on my return. I removed my spare rear tires/wheels from my D12 going through restoration locally, hooked onto my trailer and hit the road with printouts of all e-mail correspondence and cancelled checks to Bob "okieboy" Hough since 2007. 
I can send someone a picture if they want to see what I brought home, but frankly, I believe just getting the word out may save someone some aggravation.
The CA was complete and ran like a top when dropped off, but was missing some parts when I went and pulled it onto my trailer recently; no rear rims/tires (the new Firestone rubber left with him was obviously long gone), no SC claws, no hand crank, no motor side weights and no carb ............. 
I discovered last night that the motor is in-fact now seized.
 
We are all trusting soles in this world and I have always considerred myself a pretty decent judge of character. Still, when you get bit, you tend not to forget it.
A number of folks on this site had past dealings with this fella from Chelsea, OK and know darned well who he is; now you all do as well.
I have met some great folks on this site, including outstanding vendors that are always willing to help.
This experience has made me appreciate the good A-C folks I have met over the years even more.
I will get the old gal running someday, but the monetary cost to me on this one is over 2000.00. If you are wondering if I considered legal action? Only fleetingly as "you can't get wine out of a rock" and he is also in another state. Legal costs and all just did not seem worth the effort and putting the word out about this is good enough for me.
Ironically, I will have to keep all information about this tractor as I keep everything in a file for each unit and I will always have a reminder of him and what happened.
Sorry for the long posting, but I hope it just might save someone else some grief.
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Hey sorry to hear about what happened to you, have had similiar dealings and your desision not to go to court unfortunatly is a good one. Have been to court a couple of times dealing with crooks and the judicial system is a joke, the judges have no clue there is no such thing as telling the truth, and if you think it works like court on TV your going to be in for a huge awaking. As a rule anybody that asks for money up front on any job should be avoided, if they dont have the business to front the parts etc there business isnt doing to well, I can understand progress payments, but payment up front is almost always a bad deal, found that out on a 13,000 dollar roof, the hard way I might ad.
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This is why I don't want other people doing work for me "except a couple we know really well and know there work".

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Not the only bad apple in OK. Tracy Martin
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Thanks  for  checking on my  Engines Tim.  Okie made  off with 16  power  units of  mine.   Stay  clear  of  him.  He  also ripped  off  several others  that i know  of.
 
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I have had 2 dealings with him--------1ST AND LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DANG Tony !! I knew Okie has some past problems, but had no idea you had a loss like that ! Sorry for both you guys and others that lost out.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Is this the same okie as on the old forum?
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I can hear Fred furiously typing away on his keyboard as we are discussing this.
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It sounds like you made it home alright. I wish your trip would have been under better circumstances. I know what you have been through. Been there. I am glad you recovered something.  Dave.
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I know from other forums if someone is that crooked they are banned from the site. Sounds like a pretty crooked fella. Luckily yours didnt burn at least.
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Was he the fella that did the "babbit bearings" on the older site?
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Yes, same one that used to be on the older version of this site.
I am a trusting soul, not sole!
Surprising what you miss when the thought process is trying to convey frustrating FACTS.
Stay clear of this guy . . . .
 
Anybody have a spare complete MS or Zenith carb for this late CA?
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Do you have any pictures of before and after you brought it to him?
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I have pictures and will have to dig them up.
What I am needing now:
Complete carb set-up (prefer a MS over the Zenith)
Hand crank
SC claws
Gas tank
I have enough flanges/bolting to make up another set of rears and will get that motor freed up.
 
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Tim, what number is that MS? I got a couple in a box of Zeniths I bought, maybe one will be a match? Glenn
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WHAT A    %^-*#! SURPRIZE !!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT HE IS A LYING  THEFT . .FACT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well it sonds like someone is a dirtbag!!!!!!!!!!!..
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thats just my $0.02.

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In 2007 I posted some info about this individual and was accussed of bashing. I had some trouble with the Okieboy and it ended up with him paying up or facing going to jail, well he didn't go to jail, I guess a few more people had to get hurt before a post of this nature is worth reading and heeding.  If anyone wants to know the whole story, you can call me at 612-280-3397.  I sure don't want anyone else to go through what has been mention so far on this post and to the many who have not posted.
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I knew I could hear Fred typing, and he's over 800 miles away from me!
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I am one of MANY that got ripped off by him. I hope he still has a computer and reads this.
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Why hasn't someone or group brought charges against this low life.
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It is really sad....Okie was once a respected poster on the old forum. I wonder if he was out to scam people from the beginning (and set us all up), or if he fell on hard times and  that drove him to ripping people off??
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I dunno what to add.....Okie's a bad apple. Thanks Darrell for salvaging my "deal" with him.
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A bad apple indeed. What did he say to you when you arrived? Did he help you load or did he hide?
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Wow, I had no idea. I've seen a few guys that sell on evilbay get beat up on yt's buyer/seller feedback, but none here. Appreciate the heads up...
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Being in business for over 30 years I also said anyone who wants a signed contract and cash up front for work to be done later , RUN from them.
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Originally posted by D-allis Iowa D-allis Iowa wrote:

A bad apple indeed. What did he say to you when you arrived? Did he help you load or did he hide?
I too was wondering if he had the guts to show his face, or if he ran behind the shed to hide
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Sorry to hear you were one of the people who got ripped off Tim.  I know of at least one other another who got it bad,, REAL bad.  

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You guys are thinking wrong if you think he is going to read any of this or bother him about his conduct, I have met many people like this okie guy and there all cut from the same bolt of cloth, its a game to them and they just laugh about it.There is 2 guys not to far from here , one is a contractor, the other was in the logging field, the one guy use to break into private pits at night and steal gravel, and stock pile it at home, it took a couple of years till they caught on to his game some owners got together and sat in a pit one night and waited when he arrived the beat the crap out of him, which lasted a month and he was right back at it, filed bankruptcy in every imaginable way, than renamed his business under his kids name and he is still in business and still scamming. The other guy had similiar expierence picking up logs out in the woods that didnt belong to him and than turn them in as his own, got the snot kicked out of him after about a year by the other loggers, even went so far as to smash his truck with there loaders, he got out of the logging business but moved on to another scam business, it seems like thats all these guys know is how to cheat. The funny thing is if you meet these jokers they are always nice people, they know just what to say and just how to act to get your trust. They have to know what there doing is dishonest but it dont bother them in the least.
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