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steve(ill)
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41B dozer... made from 1969 to about 1985
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Craig/insoh
Orange Level Joined: 26 Mar 2010 Location: Waverly,ohio Points: 229 |
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Just about everything at the nuclear gaseous diffusion plant I worked at had a AC tag or emblem on it and I imagine that goes for the other 2 plants as well! It is a shame that all 3 plants are now shut down yet Russia, Iran, North Korea all still enrich Uranium!
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steve(ill)
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Allis-Chalmers » 460 / 562(1962 - 1973)
In 1962, Allis-Chalmers began to expand its motor scraper line in a big way. It launched two of the largest scrapers it ever made, the models 460 and 562 of 32 and 40 cubic yards of heaped capacity. Model 460 is topped out the Allis-Chalmers single-engine motor scraper line. The 562 was a twin-engined giant with engines in front and rear that totaled 730 horsepower, and weighing 51 tons. It featured a modular concept so that the scraper could be operated with or without rear engine module. The model 562 received an upgrade in 1965, with bowl capacity increased to 44 cubic yards heaped and weight increased to 61 tons, but the 562 was discontinued the following year. The model 460 has a longer life. In 1965 it was upgraded to the version 460B, and then in 1968 it received GM Detroit Diesel engine and index 460C. It was withdrawn in 1973. |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Bill Long
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Bel Air, MD Points: 4556 |
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With Pop we used to tour hydroelectric power plants. From Conowingo Dam on the
Susquehanna in Maryland, to Niagara Falls hydroelectric power plant - both American and Canadian, to the "smaller" hydroelectric power plants in New England. All we had to say was that we were from Allis Chalmers. Believe it or not in Conowingo Dam I was standing on the penstock below the huge running generator or in Niagara Falls right next to the penstocks - made by Allis Chalmers. The generators in almost every plant were made by Allis Chalmers. In fact I remember a thread on this forum years ago that showed an Allis Chalmers plate on a hydro generator in Iraq In their time they were a powerhouse in the electric generation field along with just about every other large industrial field. Get Wendel's book. It will open your eyes. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Allen Dilg
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NE IL Points: 820 |
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One more prime contractors for the Manhatten project
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DaveKamp
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The y-12 plant at ONRL is an electromagnetic separation process, and as such, required a tremendous amount of electrical power, and of course, supporting infrastructure. Since this was their specialty, it only makes sense that they were involved. It's probably not likely that they had any idea what their equipment was being used for.
A good read re. the Manhattan Project, is "Tuxedo Park: A wall street tycoon Wall Street Tycoon and the Secret Palace of Science That Changed the Course of World War II" by Alfred Lee Loomis's niece Jennet Conant. Some reviewers of the book (those that didn't actually 'read' the book' label Loomis as 'eccentric'... but the case was quite opposite. Many believe that the 'Manhattan Project' was a 'government' program, The bulk of it actually wasn't... a very fascinating story. |
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29781 |
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Many of the water a sewer systems in large cities were built by Allis.
https://milwaukeenotebook.com/2016/05/23/riverwests-hidden-landmark/ Riverwest’s hidden landmarkThis massive brick structure on the bank of the Milwaukee River in Riverwest is part of the city’s water utility. When it entered service in 1924, its massive pumps set a world record. Carl A. Swanson photo On a stretch of the Milwaukee River once home to both ice houses and a lost neighborhood, only one structure remains – a five-story-tall, windowless brick building. Although well maintained and surrounded by neatly mown lawn, no sign identifies it and its purpose isn’t immediately obvious. Here, at the foot of East Chambers Street in Riverwest, the city built a record-setting engineering landmark. This 92-year-old building is the Milwaukee Water Works Riverside Pumping Station. Riverside Pumping Station occupies the east end of a much larger parcel of land. The part not needed by the Water Works became Pumping Station Park and now is maintained by Milwaukee Public Schools. Because city dollars had been used to purchase the land, lawmakers were reluctant to allow it to become a Milwaukee County-owned park. Milwaukee′s water supply has been drawn from Lake Michigan since 1874. The North Point Pumping Station was built at the foot of North Avenue on the lake shore to pull water from a tunnel extending 2,100 feet out into the lake. In 1895, a second, longer intake was built, a project marred by an accident that killed 14 tunnel workers. A decade later, an entirely new intake was under construction, 12-feet in diameter and stretching 6,553 feet into the lake. Although the eight steam-powered pumps at the North Point Station could deliver 126 million gallons of drinking water each day, by 1918 it was clear the rapidly growing city needed a second major pumping station. In 1920, building this flood wall was the first stage in the construction of the pumping station. Carl A. Swanson photo In 1921, work on the Riverside Pumping Station started with the construction of a floodwall, built two feet higher than the maximum recorded flood level. At the same time, a nine-foot-diameter, 7,000-foot-long tunnel was excavated from the lake front to the new station. According to Elmer W. Becker′s A Century of Milwaukee Water, city engineers disagreed over the pumps to be installed in the new plant. Many favored centrifugal pumps, then a relatively new technology rapidly gaining favor. Ultimately the decision was made to order somewhat old-fashioned but well-proven vertical triple expansion pumps. This decision, Becker believes, was influenced by the city’s favored machinery contractor, Allis-Chalmers. When this colossal steam-driven pump entered service in the early 1920s it set a world record for pumping efficiency. Milwaukee Water Works photo Three of the gigantic pumps, powered by superheated steam supplied by three coal-fired boilers, were installed in the 59,000-square-foot brick structure. On July 1, 1924, pump no. 1, with a daily capacity of 22 million gallons, went into service. The five-story-tall Allis-Chalmers machine was so perfectly balanced its 100-tons of moving parts operated in eerie silence, save only for the faint, rhythmic clicking of steam valves opening and closing. Tests showed pump no. 1 generated 214.5 million pounds of work for every 1,000 pounds of steam it used, setting a new world record for pumping engine economy. Pump no. 2 was not far behind at 213.2 million pounds of work per 1,000 pounds of steam. Milwaukee′s brand-new Riverside Pumping Station was second to none, and the city was happy to show it off. A visitor′s gallery was included in the station’s design, and a switch-back sidewalk led down the 90-foot-tall river bluff from Pumping Station Park. In addition to the gigantic boilers and pumps, visitors could see offices, steam-powered generators for the in-house electrical system, automated coal- and ash-handling equipment, and a state-of-the-art machine shop. This tidy little brick building is the pumping station’s former chlorine house. Chlorine gas was once injected into the incoming water supply for extra purification. Today all water treatment is handled by the city’s two filtration plants. Carl A. Swanson photo A fourth pump, rated at 25 million gallons per day, was added in 1927, along with three additional boilers. The following year, a 40 million gallon per day steam turbine centrifugal pump entered service, and the city announced it had all the capacity it needed to meet demand for the foreseeable future. The “foreseeable future,” Becker noted, proved to be just three years, because that′s when the city ordered a sixth pump, a centrifugal type delivering 60 million gallons daily. This gave Riverside Station a daily pumping capacity of 184 million gallons. In 1937, Riverside Station narrowly escaped disaster. In that year, given the vast pumping capacity available at Riverside, the city felt safe shutting down North Point Station for extensive reconstruction. On Sunday, February 21, 1937, after several days of heavy rain, the county dynamited ice on the Milwaukee River north of the city to prevent flooding. Huge ice chunks floating down the river backed up against the Locust Street bridge, forming a dam. Immediately water began spilling over the river banks, rising steadily higher against the station′s flood wall. Although the wall was two feet higher than the previously highest recorded flood, the river reached a point just two inches from overflowing the wall. If it topped the wall, the plant′s basement would flood, shutting down the only pumps supplying water to the entire city. The situation was serious. Not only would a major city suddenly be without water for drinking or cooking or, well, flushing, there would be no water pressure in the fire hydrant system. The utility rushed 1,000 sand bags to the station but they were not needed. Gradually, over the next few days, the river subsided. Twelve years later, the station did flood. On the night of July 27, 1949, a torrential cloudburst sent a surge of storm water down the steep river bluff, bursting through the plant′s basement windows “like so many Niagara falls,” night shift workers told the Milwaukee Journal. With nearly three feet of water in its boiler and pump rooms, the plant was out of commission. The Water Works needed powerful, mobile pumps to dry out the plant – and it knew where to find them. Nine fire engines were summoned and commenced pumping out the flooded building at a combined rate of more than 9,000 gallons a minute. The station was up and running six hours after the storm. The Milwaukee River pumping station was once a tourist attraction, complete with visitor’s gallery. Today it is closed off by fences and surrounded by security cameras. The former boiler house is at right, the pump house is at left. Carl A. Swanson photo The five-story-tall steam pumps at Riverside Station served more than 40 years. In the mid-1960s, the water utility began a modernization project, removing the coal-fired boilers and steam-driven pumps and installing electric pumps operating off a dedicated high-voltage line. At a week-long open house in 1966, thousands of Milwaukeeans filed through the station for a last look at the big steam pumps before they were scrapped. On August 23, 1968, the fires were dropped in last two operating boilers. Today, Riverside Station contains nine electric pumps with a combined capacity of 240 million gallons a day. The pumps are remotely controlled by operators at the Linnwood Water Treatment Plant and the Howard Avenue Water Treatment Plant. Although the facility is more than 90 years old, it is still a major part of the city’s water infrastructure and is frequently updated. In 2011, for example, the utility completed installation of three 2,500-kW diesel generators to supply backup power to the Riverside Pumping Station in the case of a power failure. According to Water Marketing Specialist Rosalind Rouse, this was part of a multi-year project to provide electric power generation for five critical infrastructure sites. Currently, the utility is in the midst of a project to replace the access road and improve flood protection at Riverside. Milwaukee scrapped its triple-expansion steam pumps, but a similar machine exists in the United Kingdom. It has been restored and is occasionally operated for visitors. For an idea of the steam days at Riverside station, watch a video here.Edited by Lonn - 22 Dec 2016 at 6:31am |
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allisrutledge
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As you can see there is a generous knowledge of great information on here about the one thing we all have in common. If you have not attended a "Gathering Of The Orange" before I would advise planing a trip soon. There is also a great group in Oh (Buckeye Allis club) that I'm sure would welcome you in at one of their showers. And also the A.C. Pardners in In are a purty decent bunch of folks also. Over the past 35 years I have made some lifelong friends not just on here but because of our shared love. If you are ever in East TN you are welcome to visit at my place to look at a piece of AC or 2 and gab a while , just bring your work boots. I'm sure there are others that would do the same. By the way I can't spell either . Scott
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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IBWD MIke
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The thing I don't understand is as big and diversified as they were how did the ag economy tanking take the whole business down? |
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Lonn
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They were stealing the profits from the ag division to pay off the losses in the other areas instead of selling off what should have been sold off so when the 80's rolled in they had no backup money. That's my take.
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Lonn
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here's another Allis product
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WNeuberg53
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Its amazing how diversified they were. Most of the iron mines in northern MN have Allis Chalmers equipment from the 50s/60s or even earlier still in operation. Even the amount of different types of equipment in the mines, from ball and rod mills, to kilns, crushers, giant fans, taconite coolers, tripper car systems, giant electric motors etc that Allis produced is pretty extraordinary.
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steve(ill)
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-I copied this off the old site several yars ago...... --------AC history- posted on Allis page aug 23, 2007---
Glen Fetty emailed this A-C timeline he made about the downfall of A-C to me several years ago. Its an interesting read: |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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gh-in-oh
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Ibwd....... That was my very next question. I knew they were big but didn't really know how big. I always thought the ag crunch of the 80's brought the company down. Didn't realize the ag company kept them going as long as they did. Has there ever been a company so diverse? I really need to get the book all has suggested. Thank you all so much for your knowledge. I really appreciate you sharing.
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victoryallis
Orange Level Joined: 15 Apr 2010 Location: Ludington mi Points: 2876 |
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My off farm employer had Allis pumps and had 3 large kilns made by Allis Chalmers.
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8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760
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Bob D. (La)
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At one time I think they built everything but the kitchen sink and may have dabbled in that as well.
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When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!!
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DougG
Orange Level Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8091 |
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West Allis was a huge operation, I kinda think getting away from the core businesses hurt them too, but yeah again it doesn't seem right that as many businesses as they had that the Ag sector kept it all going,,, Gleaner was the big $$$$$ helper
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SteveM C/IL
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...anyone notice how gov't policy effected things?
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IBWD MIke
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Steve, thanks for posting that, clears things up a lot.
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McAllis
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CEO Scott was a major factor in the downfall of the company too.
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JimIA
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A-C contract built a lot of machines too. They had the reputation of the place that could build anything for anyone. The West Allis Works was a facility with the capability to do just that. They were like your local welding and fabrication shop but on a global size.
I was told that all employees on the factory floor had their own caliper and micrometer. I wonder what it would take to assemble a crew of that much skilled labor in this day and age? |
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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Lynn Marshall
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I have a question. When the all crop pull type combines were made, they used numerous wooden pieces. Did Allis Chalmers have there own wood working shop facility or were the wooden parts farmed out to another company?
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ACjack
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I agree 100% |
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JimIA
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As far as know they did their own wood working and assembled the straw racks at LaPorte. Some one tell me if I am wrong. Jim
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An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth
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Gerald J.
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Without having been there and we lost our representative recently, it is hard to know. The Allis Chalmers farm equipment divisions were not afraid to fabricate or buy pieces. Things like wheels they nearly always bought especially implement and tractor fronts because there were (and still are) SAE standards and potentially multiple vendors so there could be competitive bidding. It hardly ever has been profitable to make your own nuts and bolts with so many vendors around, though specials might be made in the factory shop.
For wood pieces I suspect they cut the prototype pieces in the machine shop with metal cutting tools, then for initial production contracted with a local one man wood shop, then as production increased they went with a bigger wood shop that had the capacity and equipment to meet their production schedule. Metal cutting tools even grinders cut wood, but slowly though the precision can be very fine. Gerald J. |
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bigfish_Oh
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I was at a software convention in Chicago around 20 years ago. We sat down to lunch and I noticed the 2 (older)guys at our table had West Allis on their name tags. I mentioned I was an Allis collector and ask if they knew anything interesting.The one thing I remember they mentioned was that Allis did have their name on womens bras. I assumed they had bought a company in that line.
So to make your AC collection complete, you know need a AC bra. |
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1941 WC sat for 29 years,started & dynoed 27 h.p.
1957 WD45 Grandpa bought new,factory p.s.,added wfe 1951 WD, factory p.s. 1960 D14 HnMk IV BkHoe 4 sale 2014 HD Tri Glide 2009 GMC CC SLT Dually |
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DiyDave
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AC always supported the dairy industry...
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Herb(GA)
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Thanks Steve, Lonn and Others. Been on this forum since mid 90's; this is the most thorough recap that I have noticed. Definitely one for the archives. Herb(GA)
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