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    Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 12:24pm

have to travel in to WI from MN on 94E to 29 E, to Marion Wi to pick up a 6080, was going to use my pickup and 5th wheel trailer , anything i need to know or be aware of?  Could hall out the Vikings if anybody wants them.

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You can keep your Vikings!! lol

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How much more would you have to pay if you tossed the Vikings in with the cash?
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TractorData says 6080 is anywhere from 6000-11,000lbs, so if your truck's GVW is over 10k, and your trailer is over 10k, you'll probably be in CDL category, and there IS an MN DOT station on the water's edge of 94...
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Hauling farm equipment for yourself, and if your a farmer you are exempt, if your hauling it for someone you have to have a cdl and a dot number. My advise is dont give them a reason to pull you over 4 corner chain it with ratcheting tie downs not load binders and do the speed limit and I wouldnt worry about them.
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Don't you mean CGVWR (combined gross vehicle weight rating) over 26,000 for both and 10K+ for the trailer, Dave?  I have a CDL and I think that's pretty much the law in all 50.
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We just returned those Vikings to Minnesota from Wisconsin in the dead of night to ensure they didn't get arrested here. There was talk of having the whole lot of 'em cited for impersonating a professional football team.
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Originally posted by GBACBFan GBACBFan wrote:

We just returned those Vikings to Minnesota from Wisconsin in the dead of night to ensure they didn't get arrested here. There was talk of having the whole lot of 'em cited for impersonating a professional football team.
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Originally posted by Kcgrain Kcgrain wrote:

Hauling farm equipment for yourself, and if your a farmer you are exempt, if your hauling it for someone you have to have a cdl and a dot number. My advise is dont give them a reason to pull you over 4 corner chain it with ratcheting tie downs not load binders and do the speed limit and I wouldnt worry about them.
I don't think it matters anymore if its for your self or for farming, everyone needs dot #'s over a certain weight.
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I'd do like Dave says and have at least 4 corners tied down. If they stop and ask you, you collect old farm equipment as a hobby and don't farm or do any work with it.
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One more thing, don't have any red fuel in the truck...
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Originally posted by BLee Mn BLee Mn wrote:

have to travel in to WI from MN on 94E to 29 E, to Marion Wi to pick up a 6080, was going to use my pickup and 5th wheel trailer , anything i need to know or be aware of?  Could hall out the Vikings if anybody wants them.

 
Careful ....
 
Just talked to a guy a few days ago who was driving w/ his Dad,
hauling a small trailer with antique iron, was not given
the ' truck ok to bypass scale ' .....
 
Was questioned by the Weighmaster ....
 
Was told his load looked ' suspicious ' ....
 
Watch out in Wisconsin
 
I will take a trailer of Viking-ettes :)
 
 
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You have one scale on the way out just East of Hudson WI a few miles on I 94, on the way back you have the one West of WI 29 and I 94 and next one coming into MN at Lakeland MN (St Croix Scale). WI scale by Hudson has mainly daytime hours, Menominee Scale in WI varies and hard to predict daytime hours , MN scale is almost 24-7 in being open.
 Ah there are ways around them but , just use map , US10, WI 29 across 94, US 8 ..
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Do everything else right and then find away around the scales.
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Originally posted by DanWi DanWi wrote:

Do everything else right and then find away around the scales.
 
Dan,
 
Strange as it sounds ......
 
That also applies to keeping the Wife happy
 
I'm gonna hide them bathroom scales right now !
 
 
 
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Do i have to pull in to the scales if im empty
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I always did.  As I recall when I lived in Wisconsin, the signs said "pickups with trailers." Usually you just roll through anyway.  Just what will you be driving?  3/4 ton and a trailer?  Flatbed truck?
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chevy 2500HD with 5th wheel 30' trailer
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You won't have any trouble.  Just be sure you are tied down properly.  The law usually says one tiedown at least every ten feet with a minimum of two tiedowns.  Usually they don't care as long as you have the fore and aft and side to side movement taken care of. Chain it at the hitch and front end.  Then run two chains out to the sides from the center of the tractor.
Edit:  Watch the width.  Keep it at or under 8 feet.
 


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I've gone all over the country hauling tractors and machinery and have NEVER crossed the scales with a pickup and a flatbed. Fly right on by. Besides, it's always easier to ask forgiveness (ignorance) than permission. Crossing the scales is just asking for trouble.
 
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To my knowledge 10,001 or more is the majic number in all states for a DOT #.  Like a guy that bought hay from us says if they want you to go over there scales they will come give you a personal invite.  He spent alot of time on the road and only got one invite.
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Check out @ http://www.coopsareopen.com/wisconsin-weigh-stations.html

If you bypass a scale when required to stop,
if vehicle enforcement lights out after you,
you will get a ticket .....
 
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Yeah guys they are pretty hardcore anymore when they come to CDL and truck over 10,001 lbs. I Am DOT Certified. I was hauling a Seed treater with a F350. Went into the scales on I 29 in South Iowa. They waived me around back for inspection. The first thing the guy did was slap a window tint checker on the windows....Bam wrote me a Ticket for tint on the Windows. Those were factory tinted windows!!!! Thats the only thing he coud find and he still wrote a ticket. Anyways my point is avoid the scales....use an alternative route Thats your best bet.
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Farmers w/o CDL's drive all over Indiana and never have trouble except if weighed or trucks are checked.  As long as they are hauling their own grain they are exempt.
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Every state has their own rules.  The 10K I keep hearing about in here is no doubt about the weight that requires you to stop at a scale. It is set at different weights in different States.  It happens to be 20,000 here in Oregon.
 
The CDL rules in all 50 States, as I know them are: A truck with a GVWR of 26,001 or greater requires a Class B CDL.  A truck with a GVWR of 26,001 or greater AND a trailer of 10,001 GVWR or greater requires a Class A CDL.  A CGVWR (combined gross vehicle weight rating) which the GVWR of the truck AND the trailer is 26,001, with a trailer GVWR of 10,000 or greater, requires a Class A CDL. The last sentenced confused me at first. I got a clarification from our weighmaster several years ago.  I doubt it will apply to your situation. Here in Oregon farmers who are hauling their own crops with their own trucks are CDL exempt. They are still required to meet all weight limits, except a farmer who is hauling his own grain straight from he field. He gets a 3000 pound weight waiver.
 
CDLs aside, if the scale sign says all vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or more must stop, you had better stop.  If you have any doubt, bypass the scales.  This can be another can of worms as they sometimes post a weighmaster on bypass routes.
 
I suspect you won't have any trouble with what you are hauling.  Just do it.
 
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I am diabetic and I collect tractors. I contacted the Federal DOT to find out what I needed to comply with to be able to go get my tractors. Basically I need to adhere to the safety issues of the equipment...weight, breaks, secure load, speeding, etc. As far as me myself. I DO NOT need a CDL due to this regulation and this regulation only. This is taken from the Federal Motor Carriers Saftey Administration FMCSA code 390.3f3 This is the exemption that allows me to transport my stuff with my stuff any where I plan to go to.

§390.3 General applicability.

(f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to —

(f)(1) All school bus operations as defined in §390.5;

(f)(2) Transportation performed by the Federal government, a State, or any political subdivision of a State, or an agency established under a compact between States that has been approved by the Congress of the United States;

(f)(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise;
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(f)(2) Transportation performed by the Federal government, a State, or any political subdivision of a State, or an agency established under a compact between States that has been approved by the Congress of the United States;
 
Federally, yes. I worked for a state agency when I lived in Nebraska and I held a Class B CDL.  My employer required it.  They did waive the medical certificate portion of the CDL. I was advised that I could not drive across the river into Council Bluffs if a CDL was needed.
 
I now work for a government body in the State of Oregon.  My job description requires that I hold at least a Class B CDL. They would not waive the medical certificate requirement. They do pay for my yearly medical exam.
 
In the case of (f)(3) noted above, I suspect that you would not need a CDL as far as interstate (travel between states) is concerned.
 
 


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I noticed, in several states, the Weigh Station warning signs state; "Commercial Vehicles".  If you ain't  . . . don't stop.
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True, John.  Some states specify a specific weight limit that requires you to stop. I just do what the signs say and leave it at that. I've never been hassled.
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Originally posted by john(MI) john(MI) wrote:

I noticed, in several states, the Weigh Station warning signs state; "Commercial Vehicles".  If you ain't  . . . don't stop.

This is probably why RV's are exempt.

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