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Topic: Wisc. DOT
Posted By: BLee Mn
Subject: Wisc. DOT
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 12:24pm
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have to travel in to WI from MN on 94E to 29 E, to Marion Wi to pick up a 6080, was going to use my pickup and 5th wheel trailer , anything i need to know or be aware of? Could hall out the Vikings if anybody wants them. ------------- Cowboy UP |
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Posted By: bdallman
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 12:36pm
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You can keep your Vikings!! lol ------------- 1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 1:00pm
| How much more would you have to pay if you tossed the Vikings in with the cash? |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 1:11pm
| TractorData says 6080 is anywhere from 6000-11,000lbs, so if your truck's GVW is over 10k, and your trailer is over 10k, you'll probably be in CDL category, and there IS an MN DOT station on the water's edge of 94... |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 1:15pm
| Hauling farm equipment for yourself, and if your a farmer you are exempt, if your hauling it for someone you have to have a cdl and a dot number. My advise is dont give them a reason to pull you over 4 corner chain it with ratcheting tie downs not load binders and do the speed limit and I wouldnt worry about them. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 1:57pm
| Don't you mean CGVWR (combined gross vehicle weight rating) over 26,000 for both and 10K+ for the trailer, Dave? I have a CDL and I think that's pretty much the law in all 50. |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 3:41pm
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We just returned those Vikings to Minnesota from Wisconsin in the dead of night to ensure they didn't get arrested here. There was talk of having the whole lot of 'em cited for impersonating a professional football team. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:36pm
------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
GBACBFan wrote:Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:37pm
I don't think it matters anymore if its for your self or for farming, everyone needs dot #'s over a certain weight.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:38pm
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I'd do like Dave says and have at least 4 corners tied down. If they stop and ask you, you collect old farm equipment as a hobby and don't farm or do any work with it. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:38pm
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One more thing, don't have any red fuel in the truck... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: On-the_road_again
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:50pm
Careful ....
Just talked to a guy a few days ago who was driving w/ his Dad,
hauling a small trailer with antique iron, was not given
the ' truck ok to bypass scale ' .....
Was questioned by the Weighmaster ....
Was told his load looked ' suspicious ' ....
Watch out in Wisconsin
I will take a trailer of Viking-ettes :)
Jim
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Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 4:53pm
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You have one scale on the way out just East of Hudson WI a few miles on I 94, on the way back you have the one West of WI 29 and I 94 and next one coming into MN at Lakeland MN (St Croix Scale). WI scale by Hudson has mainly daytime hours, Menominee Scale in WI varies and hard to predict daytime hours , MN scale is almost 24-7 in being open.
Ah there are ways around them but , just use map , US10, WI 29 across 94, US 8 .. ------------- Life lesson: If you’re being chased by a lion, you’re on a horse, to the left of you is a giraffe and on the right is a unicorn, what do you do? You stop drinking and get off the carousel. |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 5:03pm
| Do everything else right and then find away around the scales. |
Posted By: On-the_road_again
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 5:10pm
Dan,
Strange as it sounds ......
That also applies to keeping the Wife happy
I'm gonna hide them bathroom scales right now !
Jim
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Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 6:51pm
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Do i have to pull in to the scales if im empty ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 7:47pm
| I always did. As I recall when I lived in Wisconsin, the signs said "pickups with trailers." Usually you just roll through anyway. Just what will you be driving? 3/4 ton and a trailer? Flatbed truck? |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 7:53pm
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chevy 2500HD with 5th wheel 30' trailer ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:04pm
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You won't have any trouble. Just be sure you are tied down properly. The law usually says one tiedown at least every ten feet with a minimum of two tiedowns. Usually they don't care as long as you have the fore and aft and side to side movement taken care of. Chain it at the hitch and front end. Then run two chains out to the sides from the center of the tractor.Edit: Watch the width. Keep it at or under 8 feet. |
Posted By: BurtIA
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:15pm
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I've gone all over the country hauling tractors and machinery and have NEVER crossed the scales with a pickup and a flatbed. Fly right on by. Besides, it's always easier to ask forgiveness (ignorance) than permission. Crossing the scales is just asking for trouble.
Burt
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Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:28pm
| To my knowledge 10,001 or more is the majic number in all states for a DOT #. Like a guy that bought hay from us says if they want you to go over there scales they will come give you a personal invite. He spent alot of time on the road and only got one invite. |
Posted By: On-the_road_again
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2011 at 8:53pm
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Check out @ http://www.coopsareopen.com/wisconsin-weigh-stations.html - http://www.coopsareopen.com/wisconsin-weigh-stations.html If you bypass a scale when required to stop, if vehicle enforcement lights out after you, you will get a ticket .....Jim
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Posted By: bdallman
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 8:10am
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Yeah guys they are pretty hardcore anymore when they come to CDL and truck over 10,001 lbs. I Am DOT Certified. I was hauling a Seed treater with a F350. Went into the scales on I 29 in South Iowa. They waived me around back for inspection. The first thing the guy did was slap a window tint checker on the windows....Bam wrote me a Ticket for tint on the Windows. Those were factory tinted windows!!!! Thats the only thing he coud find and he still wrote a ticket. Anyways my point is avoid the scales....use an alternative route Thats your best bet. ------------- 1954 CA, 1952 WD with Freeman Loader,1955 WD45, 1963 D19 Gas, 1984 620H, 1980’s AC Forklift, 66 All Crop Harvester, White Top Roto Baler, Misc S.C. Equip and AC Collectibles. |
Posted By: D17JIM
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 8:31am
| Farmers w/o CDL's drive all over Indiana and never have trouble except if weighed or trucks are checked. As long as they are hauling their own grain they are exempt. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 9:40am
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Every state has their own rules. The 10K I keep hearing about in here is no doubt about the weight that requires you to stop at a scale. It is set at different weights in different States. It happens to be 20,000 here in Oregon.
The CDL rules in all 50 States, as I know them are: A truck with a GVWR of 26,001 or greater requires a Class B CDL. A truck with a GVWR of 26,001 or greater AND a trailer of 10,001 GVWR or greater requires a Class A CDL. A CGVWR (combined gross vehicle weight rating) which the GVWR of the truck AND the trailer is 26,001, with a trailer GVWR of 10,000 or greater, requires a Class A CDL. The last sentenced confused me at first. I got a clarification from our weighmaster several years ago. I doubt it will apply to your situation. Here in Oregon farmers who are hauling their own crops with their own trucks are CDL exempt. They are still required to meet all weight limits, except a farmer who is hauling his own grain straight from he field. He gets a 3000 pound weight waiver.
CDLs aside, if the scale sign says all vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or more must stop, you had better stop. If you have any doubt, bypass the scales. This can be another can of worms as they sometimes post a weighmaster on bypass routes.
I suspect you won't have any trouble with what you are hauling. Just do it.
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Posted By: ihredo4
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 11:55am
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I am diabetic and I collect tractors. I contacted
the Federal DOT to find out what I needed to comply with to be able to go get my
tractors. Basically I need to adhere to the safety issues of the
equipment...weight, breaks, secure load, speeding, etc. As far as me myself. I
DO NOT need a CDL due to this regulation and this regulation only. This is taken
from the Federal Motor Carriers Saftey Administration FMCSA code 390.3f3 This is
the exemption that allows me to transport my stuff with my stuff any where I
plan to go to. §390.3 General applicability. (f) Exceptions. Unless otherwise specifically provided, the rules in this subchapter do not apply to — (f)(1) All school bus operations as defined in §390.5; (f)(2) Transportation performed by the Federal government, a State, or any political subdivision of a State, or an agency established under a compact between States that has been approved by the Congress of the United States; (f)(3) The occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise; ------------- Typically an IHC collector but especially like the Green Allis' and the G...Thank You Mike and Norm. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 12:09pm
Federally, yes. I worked for a state agency when I lived in Nebraska and I held a Class B CDL. My employer required it. They did waive the medical certificate portion of the CDL. I was advised that I could not drive across the river into Council Bluffs if a CDL was needed.
I now work for a government body in the State of Oregon. My job description requires that I hold at least a Class B CDL. They would not waive the medical certificate requirement. They do pay for my yearly medical exam.
In the case of (f)(3) noted above, I suspect that you would not need a CDL as far as interstate (travel between states) is concerned.
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Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 12:21pm
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I noticed, in several states, the Weigh Station warning signs state; "Commercial Vehicles". If you ain't . . . don't stop. ------------- D14, D17, 5020, 612H, CASE 446 |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 12:38pm
| True, John. Some states specify a specific weight limit that requires you to stop. I just do what the signs say and leave it at that. I've never been hassled. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 12:40pm
This is probably why RV's are exempt. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 1:15pm
Tell me why an 85 year old my driving a 35ft diesel pusher with air brakes is ok, but a trucker driving a truck with the EXACT same system needs an endorsment.
There thought process is screwed up and it aint right......... ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 6:43pm
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Yeh,but headline news jump on truck accidents inna minute, whether or not it's a pickup or big truck, and give RV's a pass! When you become a professional truck driver with a CDL you give up your rights just like voting conservative. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 6:44pm
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The signs in Iowa say "All Trucks Over 6000 LBS Must Weigh". I know my pickup and trailer with a tractor on it are over 6K, but I've never stopped and never been chased down... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: allisrutledge
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 9:00pm
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I got pulled over today in KY today by dot. I had a load of gates and coral panels. the officer was looking for a dot #. I told him the load was for my use and he let me go. I did have to explain to him that TN don't have ( farm) on the weighted plates. I guess it was my lucky day, he didn't check anything else. Scott ------------- Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 8:00am
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Nothing like a 80 year old husband and wife with the dog on the dash and a Jeep cherokee in tow behind a 45' diesel pusher running down the road and trying to manuver in town ------------- '40 WC puller, '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: Dean/MN
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2011 at 7:28pm
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WI and MN are 10k. Best way to avoid them is to go on holidays when they are not around.
------------- HD16,917H,185,7050,8030FWA,8050FWA |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 11:05pm
the 26001lb threshold is universal and obvious... ANY time you're driving ANY vehicle, or combination, where rating exceeds 26001, EVEN IF you're much lighter, is at least a Class B (straight) or Class A (combination) requirement. The other obvious, is if you have air brakes on either the tow vehicle, or the trailer... even if the tow vehicle has HYDRAULIC, and the trailer has AIR, you'll need the AIR endorsement AT LEAST, and a full Class A at most. Typically, if you're driving a straight truck, no trailer, but air brakes, you'll need a B with airbrake endorsement. The reason I stated it as-above- Most states have a 'gotcha' situation with tow-vehicle GVW. If the TOW VEHICLE's GVW is under 10k, this rule is an exception that allows you to tow ANY trailer (regardless of GVW), provided that you DO NOT EXCEED 26000. That means that I can drive my 8400gvw pickup with a 28,000lb GVW trailer, as long as the combined WEIGHT of the truck (5300lbs) and trailer (7500lbs) and load (12000) are under 26001. The catch being... there aren't too many 8400gvw pickups rated for a 19,500lb towing capacity... and if they catch you doing that, you'll get pinched. NOW... if your pickup has an 10,001 gvw, it doesn't matter WHAT you're doing, you cannot legally hook up a trailer that has a capacity greater than 15,999 without a Class A... EVEN IF your truck is empty, and the trailer is empty... you're in violation. WHY is it this way? Easy. It makes it legal for an individual or company to transport EMPTY TRAILERS legally with light-duty trucks. You can legally move a 5-axle, 25000lb capacity boat trailer with a 1/2t pickup truck anywhere, without needing a CDL. I cannot, however, hook ANY trailer to my company service truck (16k gvw) with capacity in excess of 10,000lbs... even if it's empty... hence, all our equipment trailers are rated for 9980lbs. They're built to 14,400 spec for durability, but limited to 9980. Now, the suggestion of farm exemptions vary from state to state, and many states (Wisconsin included) will determine your exemption based on your vehicle registration status. It has been a few years, but last time I dealt with a WI Farm Exemption registration, they allowed Farm Exempt only on vehicles registered as FARM TRUCK. More recently, I noticed that Minnesota has a registration technique for truck tags (and I cannot verify wether there's a distinction between commercial-duty vs. light-duty trucks), but heavy and medium truck tags identify the LISCENCED WEIGHT LIMIT for the truck INDEPENDANT of the truck's GVW. I.E. let's say you have a 5-axle dumptruck built and GVW-tagged for 72,000lbs (18k steer, two 10ks, and a pair of 17.5ks), you can LISCENCE it for 50,000. Advantage being, you work in a vicinity where bridge and road restrictions all indicate LISCENSED WEIGHT 25T... and you want the extra two axles to help transport lime into soft fields without sinking in... you can do so, without paying the much more expensive 72k weight limit that you'll never need. The point here, is that some states' rules are applicable not so much to the VEHICLE GVW, but the LISCENSED WEIGHT. Federal is one thing, STATE is another. Regardless of the exemption status, trucks so-registered were still required to stop at state weigh stations, and the exemption status was not granted automatic reciprocity to Minnesota... getting waived for reciprocity was a function of the traffic court... meaning, post-facto... which meant you would've probably been hauled in for other violations as well. Don't think that vehicles labeled 'non-commercial' are given automatic waiver. Any vehicle over the specified weight are expected to stop. Wether or not they come after you for ignoring is simply a matter of your luck. The STATE DOT has absolute jurisdiction, regardless of your label, to take enforcement action, and yes, they can do so with a family of five in a station wagon pulling a camper. It's just that they rarely do. There IS reason to be concerned about transporting materials or equipement for others, but the challenge of it, is wether you're doing it FOR HIRE. I can, for example, transport property belonging to someone else, and I don't need a DOT number to do so, so long as it isn't something I'm doing as regular business. The requirement key phrase is 'In Interstate Commerce'. The last word... Commerce... you're either transporting things for purpose of THE BUSINESS OF buying or selling, or you're transporting things as a SERVICE-ORIENTED-BUSINESS. What that boils down to, is that you are not required to have a FEDERAL DOT registration number just to pull your own tractors around. If you're buying and selling tractor or parts as a commercial enterprise (for example, buying at auction, and parting 'em out), and CROSSING STATE LINES to either pick up, or deliver that which you've bought and/or sold as your business, you'll need the Federal DOT number. Gotcha: SOME STATES have their OWN requirements. Kentucky is an example of a STATE which has it's own set of IN_STATE commercial rules, so be careful there. Finally, Ill concur that it's always easier to ask forgiveness than permission. Typically, if you bypass a scale, and the officer comes after you, it can be solved by just paying the fine. Last time one of my cohorts dealt with the situation, it was only about $1700... no big deal. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 11:14pm
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And as for the 'if you ain't, don't stop' issue... I have driven my company truck, AND my private truck, through weigh stations. I've been 'called in' to bring my logbook, liscense, registration, and proof-of-insurance in BOTH scenarios. I've also been waved through... never even bothered to weigh me. I've only been 'barked at' once, for coming in when they said 'I didn't need to'. My answer "Well, I was't sure- better safe than sorry". One of the reasons why it's not wise to bypass, is because SOME STATES... short list off the top of my head... New Mexico, Utah, and Arizona require you to purchase a ONE_TIME TRIP permit. Nevada (which has no weigh stations) requires you to CALL AHEAD to purchase a TEMPORARY REGISTRATION. These are not necessarily keyed to your status as a commercial or non-commercial entity. Realize, however, that these states do this as administrative function of a LEGISLATED LAW (not a federal or state regulation)... oftentimes, it's under the guise of a 'fuel' or 'road use' tax. If they're having a 'bad day', you'll find them putting a stethoscope up your tailpipe for being ignorant. The rules tend to change without being obvious to the average person, so I find it's best, under all situations, to feign ignorance AT the station, than two miles' past with blue lights in the rear-view mirror. Most of the time, if you ask 'em "Hey- is there anything I need to know, or do, to do this?", they pretty amicable about getting it straightened out without tears. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 7:49am
| Dave... note the "R" in GVWR. They need to know this means "rating." Even if they aren't hauling 26,001 pounds, the license requirement applies if the vehicle or vehicle combination is rated to haul 26,001. |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:14am
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You're absolutely right, Doug- a driver NEEDS to recognize each instance of the rules, and that there's a difference in scrutiny for the WEIGHT of a vehicle, it's RATING (for each axle, for the total vehicle, and for the total combination), and the vehicle's LISCENSURE. Re-noting the point above- the need for CDL in MOST SITUATIONS, is irrelevant to what you actually weigh... it's what your vehicle COMBINATION is RATED for. There's one more 'gotcha' that I occasionally recieve calls about, which doesn't directly involve the original question of the thread, but one that people SHOULD be aware of: A driver has a truck loaded to within legal limits for his truck, and within legal limits of his liscensure, and within the legal limitations of the highway rules: Steer axle: 11,780 Drive axle: 33,920 Trailer axle: 33,160 Gross: 78860 But still cited for being over on steers. Why? Because the truck's steer-axle is fitted with tires rated for 5200lbs each, not 6000lbs. This scenario doesn't frequently happen to big commerical trucks, but it DOES happen. I am noting this, because it happens MOST FREQUENTLY to individuals hauling private loads. It happens because someone has a trailer that needs new tires, so they install a set that they've purchased, and not READ THE SIDEWALL. There's nothing illegal about running a 1400lb capacity tire on an axle rated for 3500lbs- people frequently do this to save money, recycle good-used car tires, and get a smoother ride, but if you do this on a tandem-axle trailer rated for 7000lbs, but you can't load the trailer past 5600lbs. If the trailer weighs 2500lbs, you can't carry more than 3100lbs on the trailer. There's many other rules that often don't affect a guy pulling a tractor home... many urban areas have length, height, and turning-radius regulations to prevent trucks from hitting the insides of archways under highway bridges and tunnels. California has some crazy rules about distances between the hitching point and trailer axles. MOST of the US have rules that allow tandem-axles spaced out greater than some distance (some states, 8' spread, some states it's 10') to be calculated as a single axle (typically 20,000lb per axle) while axles closer than that distance are considered 'multi-axle' group, and restricted to a lighter limit by virtue of the group (17,500 per axle). The reason for these caveats, is because longer axle-spacing distributes the rolling load over a greater expanse of pavement, hence less damage to roadways. The advantage to running a spread-axle trailer means that a driver can carry more on his trailer (40,000 between the two rather than 34,000) and carry less weight on the hitch of his truck. When carrying a load that's predominantly heavier on one end, that end can be placed towards the rear, which does great things for carrying difficult-to-balance loads. Unfortunately, western provences of Canada apparently now have a rule that doesn't allow spread-axle trailers. I have no idea what the reasoning is, but it has been suggested to me frequently that this 'rule' is a way of forcing loads to be moved from US trucks onto Canadian trucks, essentially defeating NAFTA provisions in favor of Canadian labor. Wether that's true, I have no idea, but I have found no other 'physical reason' why the 'rule barrier' exists here. |