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We lost some WWII history today
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    Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:00pm
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thats sad to see, especialy with so few left that can fly
red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round
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Joe, I hope i'm reading the article right. The caption at the top of the video stated that the gentleman that owned the plane bought it in 2000 and painted it to look like it's namesake. I know it was built in 1944, but maybe it was a "tribute" plane, and not the original. I'm not really in the know on this, just maybe hoping that we didn't lose the real piece of history.
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That is sad news but didn't make "the news" cause of all the wieners in the world of today.
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Originally posted by DREAM DREAM wrote:

Joe, I hope i'm reading the article right. The caption at the top of the video stated that the gentleman that owned the plane bought it in 2000 and painted it to look like it's namesake. I know it was built in 1944, but maybe it was a "tribute" plane, and not the original. I'm not really in the know on this, just maybe hoping that we didn't lose the real piece of history.
http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/news/5943161-418/b-17s-owner-weve-lost-a-national-treasure.html it says here it was painted to resemble the Liberty Belle
red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round
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That does really suck. I am a fan of the B17 and the B29. How many flying B17s are left?? To think about the aircrews that fought for our freedom with the odds totally against them until the P-51 could support the crews. It really hardens my heart to think todays generation will NEVER remember this great generation for what they did for our freedom. They are all being lost in great numbers every day.
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Is that the plane that travels to different airports?
One was in Schenectady a few years ago putting on a little show.
I saw it fly over really low.
What a sight.
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Imagine what the Germans thought when hundreds would come at once on a bombing raid.
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Ryan Renko, And they won't learn that history in school.
Now they just want to teach about how to use condoms and ......................
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It's sad to see one go down but at least the occupants got out ok.  20 years ago there was a plane that landed on Greenland and was covered with snow for 40 plus years.  A group of guys dug it out and almost got it flying before the APU caught fire and burned up the plane. 
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John was there more than one plane there. I know they got one out because it is in Middlesburg Ky. now.JP
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The plane that Jack(Ky) is referring to is the "Glacier Girl", a P-38 that went down on a remote ice cap in Greenland along with 5 other P-38s and two B-17s in 1942.  They recovered the one P-38 and brought it back to flying condition and it is housed at Middlesburg.  The other plane that JohnCO is referring to is the "Kee Bird", a B-29 that was forced to ditch on a frozen lake in Greenland in 1947.  An attempt was made to recover it, but as mentioned, it caught fire and burned.  I watched a documentary on it and couldn't believe it.  I love to see the old planes flying and it is definitely sad to see one lost.  Take Care, Rick W.
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My Dad flew both B-17's and P-38's.  He said the P-38 was his favorite of the 37 types of planes he had ever flown.  It is sad to see this piece of history gone.  A few years ago, my brothers and I wanted to buy Dad a ride in the Liberty Bell when it was in Cincinnati, as we thought it would be neat to see him in it.  Dad said no, as there was no way he was going to pay money to ride in a plane that they used to pay him to fly.
I believe that there is only 1 remaining B-29 that flys on a regular basis.
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My understanding is there are about 12 of these planes left that are flight ready.  If they want to keep them for future generations then they need to stop flying them before they are all gone IMHO.
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So sorry to see some of our history vanish.  There are so few left.
We just had an air show here in Ocean City, MD.  Mainly newer military jets.  I was really srprised to see the B-2 Stealth Bomber fly by.  We do not have a lot of them.
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Why is this post in Farm Equipment- A discussion about Allis Chalmers Farm Equipment?
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It"s on here because a lot of us served in the military and remember what made this country great before we collectively  decided to give it away.
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Your reply makes no since as to my question?
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That is not the right way to spell sense.

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Maybe it has some parts made by allis chalmers?
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I am in Illinois not far from where this planewent down. A friend of mine has an avenger warbird that he flies and hangers around Aurora. This plane was an original. It is a shame, there are just so few of these that are left to have one crash and burn is just sad. Most of the warplanes are not insured and when they go down it is a total loss. Luckily no one was hurt.
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I found the answer to one of my questions.
I posted it in the right forum.
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Good for you Jeff!!!
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Originally posted by Jeff Z. NY Jeff Z. NY wrote:

Why is this post in Farm Equipment- A discussion about Allis Chalmers Farm Equipment?
 
Maybe because like Allis, the B-17 crashed and burned?
 
Thats gallows humor in case I p somebody off...
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Thank You.
It tought sometimes being so smart.
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Tom, Who fired you up today?
Rednecks, Crash and Burn.
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Originally posted by Jeff Z. NY Jeff Z. NY wrote:

Tom, Who fired you up today?
Rednecks, Crash and Burn.
 
 
Guess Im feeling cranky....
 
Wonder how far this restoration has gone...
 
If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!
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The plane landed in a corn field in Illinoise after a fore broke out somewhere on board. Fire trucks couldnt get to it in time to save it. Wanted to land where it took off from but couldnt make it back. How do you spell Illinoise? Fred
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Well to start there is no noise in Illinois.
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And fire is f-i-r-e. LOL
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