We lost some WWII history today
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Topic: We lost some WWII history today
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Subject: We lost some WWII history today
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:00pm
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I saw her fly one time in Atlanta, truly a magnificent Lady! Liberty Belle crashes - http://homepost.kpbs.org/2011/06/wwii-era-b-17-liberty-belle-crashes-video/ - http://homepost.kpbs.org/2011/06/wwii-era-b-17-liberty-belle-crashes-video/ ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
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Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:18pm
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thats sad to see, especialy with so few left that can fly ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:22pm
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Joe, I hope i'm reading the article right. The caption at the top of the video stated that the gentleman that owned the plane bought it in 2000 and painted it to look like it's namesake. I know it was built in 1944, but maybe it was a "tribute" plane, and not the original. I'm not really in the know on this, just maybe hoping that we didn't lose the real piece of history. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:25pm
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That is sad news but didn't make "the news" cause of all the wieners in the world of today.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:31pm
------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
DREAM wrote:Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:52pm
| That does really suck. I am a fan of the B17 and the B29. How many flying B17s are left?? To think about the aircrews that fought for our freedom with the odds totally against them until the P-51 could support the crews. It really hardens my heart to think todays generation will NEVER remember this great generation for what they did for our freedom. They are all being lost in great numbers every day. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:12pm
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Is that the plane that travels to different airports?
One was in Schenectady a few years ago putting on a little show. I saw it fly over really low. What a sight. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:22pm
| Imagine what the Germans thought when hundreds would come at once on a bombing raid. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:44pm
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Ryan Renko, And they won't learn that history in school.
Now they just want to teach about how to use condoms and ...................... |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 12:29am
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It's sad to see one go down but at least the occupants got out ok. 20 years ago there was a plane that landed on Greenland and was covered with snow for 40 plus years. A group of guys dug it out and almost got it flying before the APU caught fire and burned up the plane.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Jack(Ky)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 3:20am
| John was there more than one plane there. I know they got one out because it is in Middlesburg Ky. now.JP |
Posted By: rickwsomd
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 5:45am
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The plane that Jack(Ky) is referring to is the "Glacier Girl", a P-38 that went down on a remote ice cap in Greenland along with 5 other P-38s and two B-17s in 1942. They recovered the one P-38 and brought it back to flying condition and it is housed at Middlesburg. The other plane that JohnCO is referring to is the "Kee Bird", a B-29 that was forced to ditch on a frozen lake in Greenland in 1947. An attempt was made to recover it, but as mentioned, it caught fire and burned. I watched a documentary on it and couldn't believe it. I love to see the old planes flying and it is definitely sad to see one lost. Take Care, Rick W. ------------- Rick W.(So.MD) |
Posted By: Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 6:02am
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My Dad flew both B-17's and P-38's. He said the P-38 was his favorite of the 37 types of planes he had ever flown. It is sad to see this piece of history gone. A few years ago, my brothers and I wanted to buy Dad a ride in the Liberty Bell when it was in Cincinnati, as we thought it would be neat to see him in it. Dad said no, as there was no way he was going to pay money to ride in a plane that they used to pay him to fly.
I believe that there is only 1 remaining B-29 that flys on a regular basis.
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 7:20am
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My understanding is there are about 12 of these planes left that are flight ready. If they want to keep them for future generations then they need to stop flying them before they are all gone IMHO. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 8:51am
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So sorry to see some of our history vanish. There are so few left.We just had an air show here in Ocean City, MD. Mainly newer military jets. I was really srprised to see the B-2 Stealth Bomber fly by. We do not have a lot of them. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:08am
Why is this post in Farm Equipment- A discussion about Allis Chalmers Farm Equipment?
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Posted By: Richard Slaughter
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:30am
| It"s on here because a lot of us served in the military and remember what made this country great before we collectively decided to give it away. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:32am
| Your reply makes no since as to my question? |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:34am
That is not the right way to spell sense.
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Posted By: Bob(FL)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:40am
| Maybe it has some parts made by allis chalmers? |
Posted By: craigreavley
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:41am
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I am in Illinois not far from where this planewent down. A friend of mine has an avenger warbird that he flies and hangers around Aurora. This plane was an original. It is a shame, there are just so few of these that are left to have one crash and burn is just sad. Most of the warplanes are not insured and when they go down it is a total loss. Luckily no one was hurt. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:55am
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I found the answer to one of my questions.
I posted it in the right forum. |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:00pm
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Good for you Jeff!!! ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:08pm
Maybe because like Allis, the B-17 crashed and burned?
Thats gallows humor in case I p somebody off... ------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:09pm
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Thank You.
It tought sometimes being so smart. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:11pm
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Tom, Who fired you up today?
Rednecks, Crash and Burn. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 1:15pm
Guess Im feeling cranky....
Wonder how far this restoration has gone...
http://members.cox.net/b17brian/b17/DesertRat/index.htm - http://members.cox.net/b17brian/b17/DesertRat/index.htm ------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: FredW
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 2:06pm
| The plane landed in a corn field in Illinoise after a fore broke out somewhere on board. Fire trucks couldnt get to it in time to save it. Wanted to land where it took off from but couldnt make it back. How do you spell Illinoise? Fred |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:20pm
| Well to start there is no noise in Illinois. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 4:21pm
| And fire is f-i-r-e. LOL |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 6:05pm
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Just for the record the B-17 had four Allis Chalmers build super chargers on it.
Don ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 6:13pm
| Still has nothing to do with farm equipment unless the spray fields with one. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 6:30pm
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Or bomb woodchuks with one.
That would be a sight to see. What The.......................................... 
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 7:30pm
| just curious, it looks like the props were not turning. I wonder if that was a dead stick landing? |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 7:33pm
| There are only 18 left that are licensed to fly, however, there quite a few more, 100, ???? still around, maybe more . |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2011 at 9:16pm
I don't agree, all kinds of noise coming out of the windy city along with all the hot air. Rod B is on trial again and will probably get off scott free after lying,stealing and cheating everybody in the state. I guess we are still on the wrong forum. Sorry! ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: FredW
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 7:22am
| Jeff, I feel much better now that I know how to spell Illinois and fire. You know I and O is very close together on the keyboard and along with that there is the age factor. I do enjoy most of your posts as you seem to have a sense of humor, so keep up the good work, reminding us oldtimers to watch our grammar and speling. Fred |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 11:59am
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There was a documentary on the "Glacier Girl" called "The Lost Squadron". I've never managed to catch all of it though. It was either on the History channel or Discovery the times I've seen bits of it. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 2:02pm
I watched that..it was quite an ordeal to get that plane out and it cost much more to extract it than they thought. Also the plane was in far worse condition then they thought it would be. Was a big money pit. Original owner sold it to a millionaire who had the funds to restore it. I then think it was sold recently to an oilman. ------------- If its not an All-Crop, it all crap! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 4:09pm
I think I watched that on Iowa public TV long before we had Dish. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 6:30pm
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From what I remember, they thought all they would need to do is uncover the plane and bring it up. However many decades of freeze thaw cycles smashed them down. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Nate (OH)
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 6:57pm
| I vividly remember watching that on the history channel a few months ago. Was a very good episode! |