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Josh in Pa 
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 7:50pm |
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Mostly curious, but will have the fwa axle off my 8030 this week. What does it take to move the axle forward? Mine has a large unmachined casting (I assume where the 2wd axle would attach) in front of the fwa axle. Does this get removed? How far do guys move them forward? To the same spot the 2wd axle sits? (110"?). It looks fairly easy, remove the casting, mag drill some holes, longer hoses and lengthened driveshaft. Will it help the ride? This is my only Allis, but it's pretty rough riding.
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 9:20pm |
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It probably won't help the ride enough to be worth the trouble. How much fluid do you have in the tires? We have an old 4440 John Deere (longer wheelbase than an AC) that rode rough as hell and we we let some of the fluid out of the tires and replaced it with wheel weights and it greatly improved the ride.
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 9:49pm |
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More air and less fluid is a good suggestion. A new seat with fore/aft free travel will also help (reduces back slap).
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Posted: 31 Mar 2016 at 10:04pm |
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It will help the ride. It will cut down the turning radius. You don't take that bolster out, it holds your frame rails. Most of them get moved all the way forward. Don't forget about changing your hydraulic filter under there. I prefer, if it can be done, about half way from where it is, to as far as it can go forward. The farther you move it forward, the lower your front end will get, makes them look a lot better when the azz isn't dragging .
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 4:38pm |
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I'm a little slow, and not an Allis guy, but that 2wd bolster is exactly in the way of moving the fwa axle forward. Are there different ones maybe? And what do you mean by hydraulic filter? I thought I changed them both recently and they were down low in the back?
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 4:55pm |
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You will need to take a power hacksaw and cut that piece of casting off. Then remove the four bolts that hold the axle support to the main frame and roll the support forward until the original holes in the back of the support line up with the original front holes in the main frame, that leaves only the front two holes to be drilled.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 6:18pm |
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Sounds complicated!
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 7:28pm |
 cowkicker wrote:
You will need to take a power hacksaw and cut that piece of casting off. Then remove the four bolts that hold the axle support to the main frame and roll the support forward until the original holes in the back of the support line up with the original front holes in the main frame, that leaves only the front two holes to be drilled.
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Done one several yrs. ago this same way. Improved the ride quite a bit & would make the turn in on 12-30's with a little help from the brake. Not a bad job & could easily be moved back original if you didn't like it. I think we narrowed the front weight bracket a little to help turn shorter also , otherwise tires would rub hard.
Edited by eighty nine - 02 Apr 2016 at 7:26am
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 7:48pm |
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Done it on all three of our 8000's. Would do it again in a heart beat!
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Posted: 01 Apr 2016 at 11:04pm |
Good info! Been considering doing that on my 8070 at some point....
What was the reason for the original short base?
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Posted: 02 Apr 2016 at 8:29am |
Acfarm wrote:
Good info! Been considering doing that on my 8070 at some point....
What was the reason for the original short base?
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Probably to give it a tighter turning radius than a John Deere.
Edited by VAfarmboy - 02 Apr 2016 at 8:42am
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Posted: 02 Apr 2016 at 10:26am |
Josh in Pa wrote:
I'm a little slow, and not an Allis guy, but that 2wd bolster is exactly in the way of moving the fwa axle forward. Are there different ones maybe? And what do you mean by hydraulic filter? I thought I changed them both recently and they were down low in the back?
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Poke your nose under the front end.There's a filter up in there that's out of plain view.Could be re-mounted anywhere on the tractor...but not many places to choose from.
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Posted: 02 Apr 2016 at 7:59pm |
Here's a pic of the first one i did.  Weight bracket extension.  And I cut both ears off for the the 2wd axle.  Any questions, I'd be happy the help.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2016 at 8:21am |
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They looks so much bigger when stretched out.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2016 at 8:49am |
VAfarmboy wrote:
Acfarm wrote:
Good info! Been considering doing that on my 8070 at some point....
What was the reason for the original short base?
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Probably to give it a tighter turning radius than a John Deere.
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The tightest turning FWA for many years.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2016 at 2:49pm |
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Reason this one looks bigger is because of 20.8r42's and 16.9r28's! Lol
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Posted: 03 Apr 2016 at 9:34pm |
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ought to be stuck to the ground with those tires,,, got duals?
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 7:54am |
Last year in the spring. 
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 8:28am |
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That tractor sure looks tough with the big tires and longer wheelbase.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 8:53am |
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She is pretty tough! This is the way they shoulda came from the factory.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 9:04am |
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I assume you had a custom drive shaft built?
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 9:11am |
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Yup. A tad thicker tube for it. Local machine shop guy did all three of them for us.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 9:41am |
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Did moving the axle affect the turning radius at all?
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 10:21am |
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A tad but not much. Cant really notice it very much.
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 1:34pm |
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Where did you get the rims for the 20.8-42 tires
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Posted: 04 Apr 2016 at 2:01pm |
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Our local tire dealer. Just a step up rim to go from 38" centers to the 42" tires.
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