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 Posted: 08 May 2015 at 7:21am |
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180+115+61.2 is 356.2 but it doesn't work.....trust me. It doesn't work. And then you have a very slow ramp of you go from .006 lifter rise to .016 in 69 degrees, or 34.5 on each side. You'll have a pooch. Boys with stock parts will beat up on it. At 244* at .050 there is so much intake overlap it won't make any.
You have to understand the dynamics of a Siamese port 4 cyl with a flat crank. And you don't. Just reading the fuel injection thread shows that. |
this comes from a guy who told his customers that a 4 3/4 bore couldn't be done and changed out a Barney camshaft that everyone on forum talks about how good they run . Anyone know what the duration of barns cam is . Does anyone care to post the 175 allis published ivo and ivc points from the power is knowledge. By the way you only have duration numbers for cylinder 1 .pank understands dynamics of Siamese ports
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 7:13am |
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Once again, someone is trying to convince us that he has discovered a new break through in technology and everyone else is too dense to understand it. Ron Iskedarien's name is being bantered about above, so if Pankey is in bed with Ron, let's hear this from old Ron himself, get him on here to clear this up for us and make us understand it. My guess is that although we are led to believe that Pank and Isky are partnered up on this "new technology brainstorm", Isky has no knowledge of it. I would think that Pank would be grinding his own master cams in a top secret laboratory by now considering his level of expertise.
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 6:29am |
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180+115+61.2 is 356.2 but it doesn't work.....trust me. It doesn't work. And then you have a very slow ramp of you go from .006 lifter rise to .016 in 69 degrees, or 34.5 on each side. You'll have a pooch. Boys with stock parts will beat up on it. At 244* at .050 there is so much intake overlap it won't make any.
You have to understand the dynamics of a Siamese port 4 cyl with a flat crank. And you don't. Just reading the fuel injection thread shows that.
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 6:11am |
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Well the definition of a hook is to get the hook attached to the drawbar and move the sled. I have no doubt that opening the intake valve 61.2 degrees btdc and closing it 115 abdc the engine will not start or run under its own power. However it will turn over easy, and any decent battery will propel the tractor with the starter. It will last a good many hooks with charging in between ........pank won't have to worry about starting in gear any more. He won't be able to run his own leg over this time and take out any innocent port-a-potties. |
pan key was hoping ignorant Marty would reply . He had me post the 356 duration. At .006 lifter rise cause he knew Marty had never cam dr. Anything cams if he had he would have understood lifter rise . The duration at 016 lifter rise is 287 degrees and at .050 it's 244 degrees of duration .took patiently two years to show Marty and butches ignorance but it's shown now
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 5:16am |
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Well the definition of a hook is to get the hook attached to the drawbar and move the sled. I have no doubt that opening the intake valve 61.2 degrees btdc and closing it 115 abdc the engine will not start or run under its own power. However it will turn over easy, and any decent battery will propel the tractor with the starter. It will last a good many hooks with charging in between ........pank won't have to worry about starting in gear any more. He won't be able to run his own leg over this time and take out any innocent port-a-potties.
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Posted: 08 May 2015 at 5:01am |
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You're 240 will run better than pranks imaginary build. He specked 115 degrees after bottom dead center intake valve closing....... trust me, a poor running weed whip will make more power. |
Marty, The late intake closing will help the all thread head studs last a bit longer and might help with bent con rods also. Maybe this one will get more than 5 hooks before KA-BOOM!
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 2:40pm |
One word..... "WOW" sums it up, to be interpreted anyway you please.
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 2:01pm |
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Larry ohio Pankey says thank you for showing that Marty and Butch aren't the ones to talk to about camshafts . Even though it took two years you came through and that deserves a thank you Pankey says .
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 1:51pm |
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dont bother larry i checked this morning before i went to school, NO FUELINJECTION FOUND just some dorky carbs slapped on something with an allis chalmers hood
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hi my names dan, I am a young guy. i have a problem, i prefer my tractors orange and my clutches mechanical, thanks for letting me share
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 12:21pm |
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What is the facebook page. I'll see if I can find it sometime
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 8:10am |
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Who has the tractor with this cam in it now. I'd like to discuss this with them and see it run. |
LOL Larry, You will never get an answer to a question like that from Pank.
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 5:50am |
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Like the fuel injection Pankey is showing on my tractor over on all is WC and WD pulling engines face book forum .
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Posted: 07 May 2015 at 5:38am |
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Who has the tractor with this cam in it now. I'd like to discuss this with them and see it run. I am still looking to get 500", but not sure if I can. Also thinking of a fuel injection set up. Seen a Kinsler set up on a little GM 4 banger and got me thinking. That would take care of all the carb issues and most likely be NATPA div 1 legal the way their rules are
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 9:36pm |
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$15,000.00 for something that(theoretically)goes down the track at 3 MPH. Simply impressive.....
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 9:01pm |
wi50 wrote:
You're 240 will run better than pranks imaginary build. He specked 115 degrees after bottom dead center intake valve closing....... trust me, a poor running weed whip will make more power. |
i do because to be honest all the numbers and technical info you contribute to teaching others escapes me, but i can and will admit i have no clue instead of making up crack pipe builds and specs
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hi my names dan, I am a young guy. i have a problem, i prefer my tractors orange and my clutches mechanical, thanks for letting me share
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:47pm |
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You're 240 will run better than pranks imaginary build. He specked 115 degrees after bottom dead center intake valve closing....... trust me, a poor running weed whip will make more power.
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:37pm |
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Blue Pank will build a 452 for anyone it just takes 15 grand of cash |
You give me an n itemized list and cost of each item I'll scrap the 240 incher I built this winter and take a trip to TN with cash in hand
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 8:17pm |
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Blue Pank will build a 452 for anyone it just takes 15 grand of cash
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:53pm |
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Larry the one Pankey spec for my 452 inch allis is 356 duration at .006 lift with ivo at 61.2 degrees btdc and ivc 115 degrees abdc |
Please post a video of that one running. It will take a super charger plus you two blow hards blowing in the intake ( a three charger set up LOL) for it to even fire with only 4 degrees of valve closer.  |
your right pank, you (a nobody) was talking about a 452 inch allis pulling engine, geez you sure made that easy
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:22pm |
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Larry Ohio did you call Ron about the 356 degree of duration at .006 lifter rise? Let us know the duration at .050 please
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 4:46pm |
mgburchard wrote:
Blue no one said 452 inch single cylinder . I said a Cingle cylinder four cycle engine has 720 degrees and Pankey had me post those specs cause Marty said advertised duration back in the 175 spec forum was seat to seat as you can see at .006 lifter rise it's 354 duration seat to seat duration for any cam would be 360 degrees but its figured at a lifter rise not seat to seat |
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 4:41pm |
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Lol that's funny butch . I knew you didn't know anything about engines . a 4 cycle single cylinder engine has 720 degrees of rotation to complete a cycle |
No wonder you cant get cam timing right Pank, The degree wheel goes on the crankshaft, not the camshaft. We hadnt covered that for you but jee wizz? We assumed you knew something from watching engine build videos???
356 duration = 4 less than a full turn. Blow hard boy or it aint goen to fire ,,,, blow hard.
Life must be tough when you have to be hit over the head to learn anything  dont forget to add video of your Allis single cylinder engine with 356 degrees of duration
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 4:33pm |
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Blue no one said 452 inch single cylinder . I said a Cingle cylinder four cycle engine has 720 degrees and Pankey had me post those specs cause Marty said advertised duration back in the 175 spec forum was seat to seat as you can see at .006 lifter rise it's 354 duration seat to seat duration for any cam would be 360 degrees but its figured at a lifter rise not seat to seat
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 4:19pm |
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452 inch single cylinder engine my ass lol. What level of the drug lab did that come from?
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 3:41pm |
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Lol that's funny butch . I knew you didn't know anything about engines . a 4 cycle single cylinder engine has 720 degrees of rotation to complete a cycle
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 11:33am |
mgburchard wrote:
Larry the one Pankey spec for my 452 inch allis is 356 duration at .006 lift with ivo at 61.2 degrees btdc and ivc 115 degrees abdc |
Please post a video of that one running. It will take a super charger plus you two blow hards blowing in the intake ( a three charger set up LOL) for it to even fire with only 4 degrees of valve closer.
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 10:37am |
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Sure Its a Pankey and Iskyderian project .Pankeys number is 423- two42eightfive96 or the number you have for Ron Iskyderian
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 9:07am |
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MG...Can you get me the info on where to get one of those and someone to talk to about? I am getting things rounded up to build another engine. I am liking what your showing.
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:37am |
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Seams to me he knows more about cams than you do. Larry post a spec of a different manufacturer than berry and its what Pankey said it was in the 175 cam spec topic .how long ago is that topic been seams you would have learned a little more by now on how all the shelve grinds are 244 duration at 50
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Posted: 06 May 2015 at 7:26am |
mgburchard wrote:
Larry the one Pankey spec for my 452 inch allis is 356 duration at .006 lift with ivo at 61.2 degrees btdc and ivc 115 degrees abdc |
Well pankey is no genius. At least you boys can laugh and say "I worked on it until it didn't run".
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