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Posted: 19 Jul 2025 at 2:27pm |
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Yes, I did replace the coil and condenser a month ago. It still misses after warming up.
Today all I did was change the points. It is clean and not grounded. Only the condenser and coil are attached to the point. Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 2:32pm |
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I did recheck everything. Not sure why, but I simply disassembled everything then put it back together. I was able to get a shock off the coil contact which was OK but not a hard snap of a shock. Must of had a contact and grounded out the coil somehow.
However, after timing the rotor gears there was nothing to the plug wires. I took off the distributor cap and with a screwdriver touching the coil contact, there was a shock. As well there is pressure on the cap contact rod, thus, I think this is OK. Shop is hot and I am drenched. Back inside for a bit with a cold one. Dan Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 4:11pm |
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Posted: 19 Jul 2025 at 3:40pm |
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Earlier I watched a "youtube" rebuild and the shock they had was an arc of about 1/2". Not what I am getting.
Maybe a rebuild however, not to keen on the idea of $325. Dan |
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Posted: 19 Jul 2025 at 6:01pm |
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However, after reading the various threads, everyone who bought a rebuilt magneto mentioned it was a very good move.
The "youtube" on rebuilding a magneto mentioned "recharging" the magnets! Is that a thing? Maybe that is why "my shock" is a pansy ass shock. Dan Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 8:41pm |
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Posted: 19 Jul 2025 at 7:59pm |
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i have several B tractors all with MAGS.. I have replaced coils and condeners and points as needed over the years.. I had ONE that was REAL STUBBORN on starting after a few years.. I took apart the the IMPULSE SPRINGs were weak and not retarding the spark to TDC when you crank.. It was OK when i turned by hand.. I finally got it to work "OK"..... couple months later there was a guy on this site going out of business and was selling his REBUILT MAGS... had 3 or 4... Said complete rebuild with RECHARGED MAGNET / new coil / NIS condenser / etc. ... so i bought it... WOW... what a difference.. Engine rolls over ONCE and its running.. HOT SPARK.. FANTASTIC... Never thought i would get that much DIFFERENCE !!
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Yup, it is indeed a BIG thing. All else being equal, spark energy is (somewhat) proportional to magnet strength. And magnets lose strength as they age, requiring periodic re-charging. Back 'in the day' every significant tractor dealer had a magneto re-charging machine. I wish I owned one
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Posted: 19 Jul 2025 at 8:32pm |
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Steve, so maybe a rebuild or different mag with a "recharged mag" will help?
Interesting. That may be the issue. Dan Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 8:43pm |
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Les, thanks for the comment. All that makes since. Maybe the rebuild with a magnet "re-charge" is a good option as you and Steve mentioned. Much appreciated to everyone! Dan Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 8:37pm |
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Thinking about this and the role of the magnet..... to induce a current. If the magnet is weak, the induced current is weak, or for me a pansy ass spark.
Who here does a great job of "re-charging" a magneto? As noted, I did find someone on the "internet" who does this but would feel more comfortable with someone here in the group who knows a good :re-charger!!!" :') Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jul 2025 at 8:48pm |
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Are the magnets "alnico"? Common 1950s magnet chemistry. Alnico loses strength over time. More modern use ceramic that don't lose strength. If you buy a pair of strong rare earth magnets off temu/Amazon you can recharge the magneto magnets. Mount to a bench vice and run your magneto magnets between them. Don't pinch your fingers. . . |
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Posted: 25 Jul 2025 at 7:55am |
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here are a few good photos... half way down the page is the "magnetizer" to recharge oil magnets... guy has a "HOME PAGE" button at the bottom..
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Here is recharging a guitar pickup magnets, made of alnico. https://youtube.com/shorts/26zdiZ6xRhw https://youtu.be/ufhUd4wkPMs There used to be a video where strong magnets were stuck, setting correct polarity of each, to the faces of a vice to control the space to slip a magnet between and charge it up. . Edited by jvin248 - 25 Jul 2025 at 1:37pm |
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Thanks Steve, quite an amazing process. Is neat to see how we use to do this with the magnetizer. I also went to his home page and saw the AC collection which was awesome! There was also a number of fun links. Dan Edited by CA13414 - 26 Jul 2025 at 8:02am |
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Thanks for the links..... was neat to watch. |
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Posted: 26 Jul 2025 at 7:56am |
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Appreciate everyone's insight into the Magneto and lack of spark. Has been fun to learn from everyone. :')
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Despite the effort thus far in "rebuilding" the Magneto (cap, wires, points and etc), I decided to replace it with a distributor conversion kit. Will still try to re-magnetize the rotor just to do it.
This week, I ordered a drive unit and an electronic distributor from Steve at ""B&B Custom Circuits." Excited to install this and get the CA back up and running! Edited by CA13414 - 26 Jul 2025 at 8:01am |
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Posted: 26 Jul 2025 at 8:24am |
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You will not regret switching to a pointless distributor
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Posted: 26 Jul 2025 at 11:05am |
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Dan the man! Your order went out this morning (Sat) and is heading to you. I sent the tracking to your home email. Thank you! Steve@B&B
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Thanks Steve!
I am, as we message, rewiring for power to the distributor vs. it being a ground to the Mag. Is a simple change to a 12V terminal on the toggle switch. Will upload a few photos later. Edited by CA13414 - 26 Jul 2025 at 8:07pm |
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Finally installed the original tail light. I looks awesome and works well with the push pull light switch that we put together last summer.
I have wanted to install an Emergency rotating strobe light for road travel. There was already an extra hole in the fender, in front of original tail light. Thus, I drilled that out and put on the bracket for a rotating strobe light.. Can simply slip the light on or off the bracket as needed. My goal is to make sure I am noticeable, when on the road, to iPhone distracted drivers!!! ![]() Edited by CA13414 - 26 Jul 2025 at 8:19pm |
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Works awesome, with the push-pull light switch.
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Finally, opened up the “key and switch box” and moved the "Magneto ground wire" to the 12V toggle contact to supply power to the distributor that Steve at B&B sent.
Now when the key switch is on and the toggle is switched on, the distributor coil will be powered. ![]() Edited by CA13414 - 26 Jul 2025 at 8:18pm |
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Drive unit and distributor arrived last evening. Looks spectacular and excited to install this weekend. Thanks Steve!
I marked the exact spot the rotor was pointing before taking off the Magneto. With firing order of 1,2,4,3, the magneto rotor was pointing directly to the cylinder # 3 cap terminal. Hope it is an easy install without needing to find #1 TDC. Dan
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Installed the new distributor and drive today. Was super easy and had no problems.
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After adjusting the timing she ran better than ever. Excited to she what happens when we put little orange to work tomorrow.
This is the best the engine has ran and without hesitancy as I stepped up the RPM and then back down. Here is a link to listen to the engine at an idle and as I changed the RPM with the throttle. A big thanks to Steve at B&B for the drive and distributor!! Dan ................ Edited by CA13414 - 02 Aug 2025 at 9:29pm |
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When I changed the wire that grounded out the magneto to supply 12V to the coil, I attached it to the same terminal on my toggle that powered the alternator. Thus, when switched the toggle to off it did not kill the engine, since the running alternator kept power to the distributor coil. I had to pull the spark wire off the coil to kill the engine!! Doooh
Thus, tomorrow I will change the wire that powers the distributor coil to its own 12V terminal on the toggle switch. Glad I have a 6 terminal ON-ON toggle switch!!! Edited by CA13414 - 02 Aug 2025 at 9:31pm |
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Glad to hear the ole' girl is running like a champ! Now go put that puppy to work! ![]() Steve@B&B |
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I did rewire the toggle switch such that the power to the coil can be killed. Worked well. I also lifted out the distributor and set the rotor back by two gear teeth, just to have the distributor cap line up a bit better and not tug on the spark plug wires.
Added wire protector and "shrink wrap" to the terminal ends. ![]() Edited by CA13414 - 03 Aug 2025 at 8:13pm |
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