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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Hi, new member here, never been around AC equipment but an 8030 powershift, 2wd with under 2000 hours was advertised close to me and I think it would be ideal to leave on the discbine all summer. The asking price is 7000$.
Its for sale by a jockey who bought it at auction recently, it was used at a construction company for snow removal in their yard. I'm assuming he paid maybe 3500-4000$ for it and hauling. The good: -low hours -I think later model as there is a factory looking drawbar stiffener brace -Not much wear on drawbar or hitch, not surprising as it sounds like it always had a snowblower on it. -I think 10 weights on the front and cast on the rims -new batteries I think -Says no blowby and starts well. The bad: -interior rough (seat/cab liner etc) but control wear seems to match hours -nose cone broken -lights wiring on rear is a mess -a sensor to the right of the 3 point hitch is unplugged with the wire dangling - whats it do? -Only 2 remote -1000 pto rpm shaft not with machine, only a 540 stub Thanks for any input. My background is grew up operating 3000/5000 series fords, then 584/585 IH's for many years. Now running 50 hp Kubota and a 100 hp MF.
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8050/8030/185 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Location: United States Points: 171 |
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All of the 8030 have the dual pto shaft, unbolt and reverse to get the 1000 pto. Wires back by the 3pt are for wagon/trailer lights. For that price you can replace the interior so it looks brand new. I have been more than happy with both my 8000 series AC. The powershift and Power director transmission are both great. You should really like the tractor.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Its not all light wiring, goes to a hydraulic block on the right side of the top link casting, just left of a big filter can by wheel, sensor looks like an oil pressure sensor and there seems to be an adjuster above. I'm just concerned the low pressure light or filter change warning light was on and they unplugged it to help sell.
My MF has a pressure sender on the canister for filter warning light but this is over a little bit. Edited by slowzuki - 18 Dec 2014 at 2:32pm |
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jiminnd ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Rutland ND Points: 2251 |
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Not sure but could be safety switch on pto, I not sure where you mean but there is a safety switch on the back so you can't start it if pto is in gear. Almost sounds too cheap to me, makes me suspicious of something.
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1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner)
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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AC's don't sell well here. Some 7040/50/60 sat for sale last year for 4000$ a piece for months and months. Even had proper duals on them.
Re the switch it may be pto related, its left of the linkage rod for the 3 point hitch that runs vertically.
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Dave7060 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Points: 182 |
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If it's unplugged where the wires are in the first picture, the PTO safety switch has been bypassed so the tractor will start with the PTO in gear. If it's unplugged like in the second pic, it's because that switch has gone bad like mine an you can't get that switch anymore. It's for the transmission filter being plugged up.
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wekracer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Tebbetts, MO Points: 1587 |
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Those are very nice tractors. We have an 8050. Big quiet cab.
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N6PETE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Location: Camanche, Iowa Points: 227 |
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Excellent tractors. AC finally got a decent cab on the 7000 series frame. They got the crank balanced on that 426. I had a 8030PS 2WD, and now a 8030PS FWA & 8070PS FWA. I also have had two 7060's a 78 & 81 power directors.....excellent tractors but the cab sucked and after running a 8000 series I would never go back.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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It is the plug from the first picture. Not sure why they would need to start with PTO engaged, maybe it was on a manure pump at some point.
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JohnCO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Niwot Colo Points: 8992 |
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From your description, I would have to say it's a bargain. I paid more then twice then that for a 20 speed 8030 with 2775 hr. Had to replace the radiator and water pump for over $1,400. Still, a nice tractor.
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Lynn Marshall ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2319 |
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If the white wires are unplugged from the PTO switch, the tractor shouldn't crank over with the starter. The wires would have to be hooked together (jumped) for it to start from the cab.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Some pics they sent:
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21106 |
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That is the hardest used 2,000 hr tractor I've ever seen.....more like 10,000 hrs.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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I would tend to agree about the hours being fishy, I do have a modern 4000 hour tractor that clocks straight hours that came from the same general geographical area off a dairy and it looks just as bad.
The jockey says the construction company foreman was at the auction bidding on stuff too answering questions and claimed the hours were correct, they owned it since new. I can't tell but it looks like a baler control box or sander controls in the cab too which seems to poke holes in that story. I'll check it over pretty closely, I don't need 15,000 lb of scrap sitting in my yard.
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21106 |
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The dirt and grime on the leaking left rear axle is a dead give-away to me....that ain't 2,000 hrs.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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I noticed the leak too, not good news that it would be left so long. Nice they didn't pressure wash it spotless before selling.
Odd stuff too given how rough such as why the hydraulic coupler dust caps aren't broken yet?
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Dave7060 ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 12 Nov 2009 Points: 182 |
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Fixer upper alright but hell, that's way too rough to me. No way the hours are correct, no one can wreck a tractor that bad in 2000 hours. I'd stay away from it
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VAfarmboy ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Virginia Points: 470 |
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I have seen tractors trashed worse than that in 1500 hours on farms where the guy had hired help running the stuff. Here is an 8030 powershift in similar condition with 7100 hrs on it for sale on craigslist just down the road from me and they are asking $19,500 for it with duals and a loader. http://norfolk.craigslist.org/grd/4746567574.html Edited by VAfarmboy - 19 Dec 2014 at 3:45am |
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JayIN ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Location: SE/IN Points: 1982 |
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That is about 1/2 price. Looks rough. But probably still worth it.
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sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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wekracer ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Oct 2009 Location: Tebbetts, MO Points: 1587 |
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Look at how worn the hole is in the draw bar and if the hash marks are worn on the clutch and brake pedals. That is a definite indicator of hours. Also the balls on the lift arms.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Looked at it tonight:
-low range is very clacky noisy in transmission -upper spindle bushings missing -cab fan not working -ac components removed -ether system removed -seat absolutely destroyed -low hydraulic pressure light on when above idle -exhaust flange seems to be broken off turbo -filters all old - no oil on rearmost dipstick with engine off - forage harvester control box hard mounted in cab so lots of hours at wot The good No rust - amazing for a snowblower tractor Engine starts well, idles well, responsive etc Power shifts are smooth no slip in high range with brakes on Brakes are very strong Rad looks good 3 point works well Drawbar hole not very worn 3 point balls still tight |
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N6PETE ![]() Silver Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Location: Camanche, Iowa Points: 227 |
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Looks like a $2500 tractor to me. That is only if I had about $10k for contingencies. The cab alone will cost you close to $1k, the nose is ~$800, A/C components, all new fluids and filters, axle seal, etc......... and we have not touched the motor or radiator. If it does not have a coolant filter...... the list goes on and on
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Daehler ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1153 |
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Cab will cost over a thousand, I am doing one now. There will be rust under the floor mat. The shell around the grill is $800 as it N6PETE said the grill is another $430 as I just priced it yesterday. She does look like it came from a place with lots of hired help. A plus is it does have a right hand step that makes for easier cleaning in the cab.
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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I should correct a few things I recalled incorrectly about the description he gave me. They didn't say the company owned it from new just for many years. Also the foreman guy wasn't bidding only answering questions from folks.
The more details as far the seller knows is the construction company also had a beef farm hence the mud. In the winter it travelled to several sites to do blowing, not just the company lot. The seller ( father and son who jockey equipment) both seem forthright and honest, they just haven't owned it long and didn't get any history. I'm in no rush given the shape, another buyer was interested. The son was going to try to get in touch with previous owner to find out more history. If the hours of wear are correct I think the hourmeter was replaced at time of an engine rebuild. The rattling transmission in low range, sounds like a countershaft gear with too much play to my ear. Edited by slowzuki - 19 Dec 2014 at 8:41pm |
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Other question re drawbar wear, it was oval by maybe 1/8 but little to no wear on the top. Our ih tractors the pin hole would stay round but the thickness of the bar wears down badly, are these hardened or does that mean all clevis hitched implements were used?
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slowzuki ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2014 Location: Canada Points: 60 |
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Before I think about this anymore, I'm going to pass, this tractor needs to go somewhere with several 8000's with a few spare ones in the weeds.
Not sure if its kosher to say on an AC forum but 7k will buy a clean White 2-135 around here with an owner who will give you 20 years of history on it. Inferior in lots of ways to an AC8000 but will run a discbine fine.
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ACFarmer ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Ohio Points: 744 |
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So I'll be the one to ask, if you don't want it, where is the location of the tractor?
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Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment
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VAfarmboy ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Virginia Points: 470 |
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Eight hundred dollars for that shell around the grill?!?! I could fix that shell around the grill with $30.00 worth of fiberglass mat and West System epoxy, and with a coat of orange paint it would look like it did the day it left West Allis. Pretty sure I could knock the dent out of that grill so it would look acceptable too! Edited by VAfarmboy - 21 Dec 2014 at 9:36pm |
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ILGLEANER ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Willow Hill,ILL Points: 6448 |
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I have a grille shell that needs fixed what's your address ? IG |
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VAfarmboy ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Virginia Points: 470 |
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You can fix it yourself. Repairing damaged fiberglass is not rocket science, I learned how to do it by watching Youtube videos on the subject. This video shows how it is done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGXnJjSZmA You can substitute the fiberglass resin and hardner the guy uses in the 3M video with West System 105 resin and 205 hardner which is what I use on boats. It needs to be above 60 degrees for the epoxy to harden properly. |
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