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jaybmiller 
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 Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 8:03pm |
re: please explain the danger from bonded neutral and ground
from what I've been led to believe....
The 'idea' is that IF the neutral wire is broken 'somewhere' between the 'main' panel and the 'sub' panel, then Mother Earth will be the 'neutral' wire and carry a lot of current
It seems 'someone'( probably a committee) decided neutral and ground must only be connected( bonded) at the main panel. Apparently they've never looked at the actual wiring of the power transformer on the pole outside the house.
As far as 3 letters making rules that must be obeyed....look up their rules for ARC fault breakers in Ontario. supposedly they are the 'best' breaker YET over a dozen ways to NOT have to install them.....
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Gary
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Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 8:30pm |
For those of you that are interested in how the NEC Association functions - in particular how Old Codes get updated, and NEW Codes get created - see the attached Link: The National Electrical Code (NEC) creates a new electrical code by having a committee of experts from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) review and update the code every three years, incorporating new technologies and safety advancements through a process that includes public input and panel discussions, ultimately resulting in a revised version of the code that reflects the latest standards in electrical installation practices. The NEC is revised by the National Fire Protection Association's Committee on the National Electrical Code, which consists of 19 code-making panels and a technical correlating committee. Revision occurs every three years to ensure that the code takes into account the latest in technology and safety. ...................................................................... The 2023 National Electrical Code (NEC) | 5 Big Changes Coming Soon! https://www.jadelearning.com/blog/the-2023-national-electrical-code-nec-5-big-changes-coming-soon/
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 8:34pm |
do you REALLY think the "RULES" need to change every 3 years ?? ... Granted, you could have a few SUGGESTIONS... but the 50 year old RULES are more than adequae.... They screwed up by getting a lot of these GFI plugs installed and MANY DONT WORK RIGHT... therefore "NEW REGS" to make up for past SCREW UPS that dont work.
Do you want to see a REAL JOKE ???.... CLick on your link and read "the 5 changes in the code for 2023" ........... basically all WORTHLESS..... a GROUP generating FIXES for PROBLEMS that dont exist..
Edited by steve(ill) - 13 Nov 2024 at 8:40pm
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Alberta Phil
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Posted: 13 Nov 2024 at 10:43pm |
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The usual result of anything designed bey a committee!! Nothing works and everyone is confused!
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 5:55am |
wow #3, kitchen GFCI receptacles will be a HUGE money maker. does anyone KNOW if you can buy a 15 amp 'split' GFCI ??
for decades Ontario only required 3 splits in a kitchen that would now become SIX GFCI reeptacles. more breakers, more wire, more boxes, more LABOUR, more $$$$
The big problem is the NEC's 'suggestions' become LAW, even though they are unPROVEN to be of true benefit.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 7:56am |
you want to talk about $$$$$$$... Read #2 REAL CLOSE..
-------- 2. Section 110.17, Servicing and Maintenance of Equipment.Section 110.17, Servicing and Maintenance of Equipment is brand-new to the 2023 NEC, and as part of Article 110, General Requirements for Electrical Installations, it applies to all types of service and maintenance work. This new Code section states that all service and electrical preventive maintenance work must be performed by qualified persons trained in the servicing and maintenance of electrical equipment......
So much for "GOVT CONTROL" of your daily life.. When they make a "RULE" that you cant change out a light socket or duplex plug YOURSELF.... its comeing !! |
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DMiller
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Posted: 14 Nov 2024 at 4:21pm |
NFPA had us Power Station Operators wearing FR Clothing JUST to walk around inside the areas, had Flash Suits for use when Working On LIVE equipment, so was ZERO Necessity for Shirts, Trousers, Jackets to be FR, then add FR rated RAIN SUITS at $450 a Set, RAIN SUITS. NOT a believer in much of what these Committee People state as seems it amounts to BIG $$$$ to their Materials and Equipment Supporters.
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