Corn planter AC vs John deer

Dipstick In wrote: Kinzie invented the Deere pick-up units and Deere was using it without paying Kinzie. That's why they lost the law suit! Good old Deere, they let someone else invent and perfect something and then they paint it green and sell it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Not true. Kinzebaw didn't invent the MaxEmerge row unit. He started making the toolbars for Deere when they couldn't keep up. He bought the row units from Deere and started making his own planters. All the original Kinze planters had JD row units on them. At that time you could order just the row unit through sales, and he took advantage of that. The row units were the result of 3 different ideas, not one(Deere had started using the plateless meter in '68). Deere failed to patent the entire row unit. That's what got them burned. Kinze took advantage of this. He did come up with the brush meter. Deere has its own version now.

Edited by dkattau - 07 Oct 2015 at 2:22am

prolly not, cuz some people take things to seriously! they gotta loosen up!

dkattau wrote:     That must have been one heck of a running gear, keeping them in business all these years. Too bad AC, IH, Case, Oliver and MM couldn't make a decent wagon. Could have saved them, would still be able to buy a new one. Is it possible for you to post to a topic without talking about yourself or running someone else down? Wow.

Wow? You are on an Allis Chalmers enthusiast's site,,,,,just in case you forgot.

dkattau, ......seriously?

dkattau wrote: Butch(OH) wrote: dkattau wrote:     That must have been one heck of a running gear, keeping them in business all these years. Too bad AC, IH, Case, Oliver and MM couldn't make a decent wagon. Could have saved them, would still be able to buy a new one. Is it possible for you to post to a topic without talking about yourself or running someone else down? Wow. Wow? You are on an Allis Chalmers enthusiast's site,,,,,just in case you forgot. I didn't forget. If you're going to criticize someone or something, use the truth. Don't pull down some BS out of the air to prove your point. It always "Deere owners have such an attitude" or "they think they're better" on here. Sounds like hypocrisy to me. I think it's jealousy on some folks parts. Yeah, it's a bad deal that AC went under and AGCO is lacking when it comes to customer support. Does making fun of someone or something else change history, make the current situation better? No. I thought this was a forum to discuss a common interest- AC farm equipment. Not to make everything a "who's better than who" bitchfest. Guess I was wrong.

I realize that Deere gets knocked around on here pretty good, but it is an Allis Chalmers site.
The attitude of Deere owners is pretty much right on. When you have Deere owners throw bottles, rocks and cans at you just because you wear a different brand hat, come on grow up. Shortly after I restored my "CA" I was hauling it to a parade. I pulled into a gas station to fill up. A little boy ran out and right over to the "CA" looking with a big smile on his face. When his dad came over he yelled at the boy and turned to me and said " That's no tractor, that's just a f***ing Allis Chalmers". Had a dealer threaten my wife and I with a shot gun because we had an Allis hat on in his showroom. I enjoy looking at all brands and talking to the owners, but when it comes to Deere I keep my guard up cause I just don't know what may happen. I just don't understand why people get bent out of shape over something so trivial. Not all Deere owners have this attitude and it is refreshing to meet them. They are just hard to find.

There is a lot of truth to Shameless's comment. Back in the day Deere did copy or buy the rights to produce equipment. The planter units on the 7000 series planter is one of them. I forgot the company or person that designed it but the design was made in the late 1920's.

Moving on.


Edited by DennisA (IL) - 07 Oct 2015 at 7:53am

It took nearly 50 years to bring a row unit design into production, then Deere is bashed for doing it??? That doesn't add up quite right.

Deere invented using dance hall girls to introduce  new farm machinery to old farmers in 1960. That's was pretty smart. I'm no Deere fan but Dad's 7000 planter served us well for 20 years. It did need lots of upkeep to keep it planting well. On the White there just isn'y much upkeep and the Allis I had was good in that department too but the depth control with gauge wheels was hard to set compared to Deere. The Allis was more accurate with spacing though.

whew! I get a little flack from dealers son about having A-C, but Ive never been threatened to be shot!

Wow, threatened like that, I'm not sure I would have had the decency to just leave. I'd either have beat the crap out of him, or stood there and called the cops.

Saying row crop planters were in use in the 20's is a little different than saying "THE" row units on a 7000 were invented in the 20's. In either case, I actually don't know any better, or really care that much for that matter.

Man it must be great to get a gig at Deere as an engineer though. There's nothing to do!!!! Everything made was simply copied, hahaha!

Dennis...our deere dealer was about the same way....a real turd! and that's prolly why he's not in business anymore too!

I've seen 3-pt mounted 7000 planters at sales...they musta been changed over from pull type? a few 7000 plate type planters still show up once and awhile on consignment sales, they still bring pretty good money, but from what I've heard, about all of them are being shipped to mexico.

SHAMELESS wrote: I've seen 3-pt mounted 7000 planters at sales...they musta been changed over from pull type? a few 7000 plate type planters still show up once and awhile on consignment sales, they still bring pretty good money, but from what I've heard, about all of them are being shipped to mexico.

That's where Pa's 4 row went a couple years ago.