Ugly stuff coming soon...grrrrr

Tad Wicks wrote:

Take a look at the older Same Frutettos, they had an air cooled Lambordini engine so they had two alternators to run an electric heater and AC unit, the Deutz Allis with the aircooled engine might be similar. Should none of that work, may be a smudge pot on the roof Smile

Deutz/Allis 7085 uses an oil heater. Has a heater core in the cab that circulates engine oil rather than hot water. Works excellent down to 30 below then well......nothing works too well.

Good luck. Hopefully your core plug hole won't be oblong like mine. That really made the job a pain in the butt. I have used a hair dryer to help sealant setup if it gets cold.

You are going to be happy with that block heater and manifold heater working.

As long as you have diesel fuel treatment, all should be good. I can only imagine how cold it gets in ND compared to Indiana.

80 7010 w/Cab, 67 190XTD Series I w/500 Loader, AC 2000 Plow, AC 4 row Planter, AC 77G Rake, Member Indiana A-C Partners, Member TAC

calico190xt68 wrote:

Here is my complete post of what I ran into when installing a block heater on an older 190xt that does not have the block heater port. I have another post where I failed the first time because it leaked. I incorrectly referred to it as a frost plug heater.

I have the stopler cab and believe I had the original cab heater.

Thank-you, I'll read it. Mines the stopler cab too, but there's no heat/air in it. There's a hole in the top where I suspect it had one at one time.

Thank-you!

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

SteveM C/IL wrote:

Don't think the 2 bolt plate is on older 190's....

I bet your right! Mines a 1965, I have searched every inch, left/right side and there is no oval plate with 2 bolts that I can find. That is not saying it does not exist, just saying I can't find it, that's why I'm asking for help. I did find what appears to be a frost plug over/behind the starter solenoid. All I'm asking for is a conformation from anyone that would know as I'm not sure. The 2 bolt block heater agco shows has to be for an older model. If one of the experienced allis guys knows, PLEASE inform me.

I've heard about guys using the ether injector along with the manifold heater, never a good outcome so I do know that's a no-no.

Lots of good info about cab heat, what I really need to know is about the block heater.

Thanks y'all!

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

The local carrot grower had a 4230 JD that would get a bit cranky on a cold morning, of course, what we here call a cold morning and what you guys call a cold morning is probably the difference of 50 degrees or more, but any way, the Mexican boys would gather up a bit of old cottonwood and build a small fire right under the oil pan, cook their breakfast tortillas and by the time they were done the oil was hot and the tractor would start and off they went, no kidding. I guess you just gotta know how LOL

ND...look on the right side (passenger side looking forward) and see if there is a flat steel plate held on the block with 2 bolts. that is where you put your block heater in if there is one. i have a KATS tank heater on my 190XT, but it doesn't work very well. also...i've seen some put plywood on each side of the engine to keep heat in, not sure how the heat would get back to you in then cab tho.

Ted J wrote:

They also make a magnetic block heater. I've never tried one, but I have heard good things about them. Put one on the block and one on the pan?

I have one of those, put it on the pan, this morn I plugged it in for 2 hours and felt it. Felt a little warm so I gave 'er a whirl, no go. I am leaving it plugged in all night and will try again thurs morn but I don't think it's enough heat. We'll see.

Put my Mr Heater in cab for SnGs and pretty soon I was able to work on dash wiring in short-sleeves. Not really enough room in there for that on the floor and operate her, too big.

Removed the manifold heater, used jumper cables straight to bat and she got real hot real quick so that's a good heater. When I hit the switch it does not give power to the solenoid to put power to the heater so either wiring problem or bad switch. A quick wire to a toggle switch on the dash to solenoid should solve that problem for now. LOL, just one more problem to work on, yeesh.

Found the freeze plug on rt side of engine, I think. It's behind the starter solenoid, would have to remove a couple lines but that is no problem, looks easy enough. Only thing I'm wondering, on the agco illustrations, it shows the block heater is an oval unit held on by 2 bolts. The freeze-plug is just that, a plug, no bolts/screws to hold it in. If I'm looking at it right, where could I find a block heater to go in there and is that the correct placement?

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

They also make a magnetic block heater. I've never tried one, but I have heard good things about them. Put one on the block and one on the pan?

"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17

shameless dude wrote:

careful with them propane heaters, they tend to fall over when kicked or bouncing on uneven ground. but i have used them in combine cabs before that didn't have a cab heater.

I've seen them with the head mounted on the roof, supply line ran outside to the tank. Not really wanting to do that. I have a nice propane heater that keeps an ice shack in the middle of winter warm enough to wear short sleeved shirts. Using that could work, it's small enough but it's a last resort I feel for me. I am looking at:

https://parts.tristaraerial.com/12v-10020-BTU-Cab-Heater-Self-Contained-No-Water-Required_p_771.html

for a more permanent installation. Cab heat right now is not my priority though, having the ability to start this old gal is my priority. Summer got away from me, this cold crap hit a little quicker than expected. She will not start now without a shot of ether and I *hate* that, it's not good for any engine.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm getting older. I have used open stations to clean the driveway for years but the cold is really getting to me last couple years, so I need a cab. If I can't get this figured out, I will see what I can sell her for, take that $$ and trade in a kubota for a tractor with cab/heat/block-heater and front snow blower.

I've thought about building an open ended shed next to the house, sized to be able to drive the 190 in to cover over the top hood up to cab with cut-out for exhaust pipe, covered front/sides and park her in there. Shove a torpedo heater then there and let a rip for a couple hours before use. This is a last resort, might end up selling her before I get to that.... freaking price of lumber is absolutely NUTS right now.

Thanks for the answers. I still think finding the freezeplug is my best shot.

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

careful with them propane heaters, they tend to fall over when kicked or bouncing on uneven ground. but i have used them in combine cabs before that didn't have a cab heater.

screw it out and hook it to a battery with the body grounded. Use big wire....it will turn red if working.

For heat in the cab,I have seen someone use a propane heater. They mounted a car rim on to the frame for the tank,ran the hose into the cab and fastened the heater inside.

Thanks Darrel, it's there but disconnected before the plug and wrapped in electrical tape. The wiring on this thing is a mess, I don't think it's connected at the switch. I need to dig into it so I can hook up the lights and the heater. I wish there was a way to talk to the previous owner but he no longer knows who/where he is so not possible.

Any idea where the frost plug is so I could put a block heater in?

Edited by NDBirdman - 20 Oct 2020 at 8:30am

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

re: Is there anyway to hang some canvas on the sides and duct the engine heat back into the cab?

After an election , I grabbed some big 'vote 4 me' signs and 'repurposed' them to be side shrouds for my D-14. It did help keep the engine warmer,though with no cab, I was still out in the cold....

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

Ted J wrote:

No shed to put it in?? No wonder it starts hard! Build yourself a small building that you can put it in and then fire up the torpedo and warm it all up about a half hour before you want to start it. That should do it.

Yup, no shed big enough. IF this covid cwap dies down... I will not spend anymore winters here to care. We were going to snowbird starting this year, BUT...... wife won't leave the place now. Soooo, I need to get this old gal going but hopefully for this coming winter only..... I miss southern AZ and NM bout this time of year.

1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT

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