DARN YOU SHAMELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, I'm looking for a way, without running plumbing, in a way to heat up the cab on my 190XTD.  It does not have any heat/air and I'm not looking to get fancy/expensive.  Is there any recommendations on cab heaters, preferably with a fan to blow towards the front/rear/side glass so I can see out?  If it puts out enough to warm me up, great but not a requirement, I have good gloves/coat.  Even if I have to install 2 units, one forward, one backwards to defrost glass, that's ok.  Last 12v unit I tried many years back was a waste of $$, have not looked in last few years.  Any suggestions?

Probably going to be fun to get her running during our winters as we dip below zero alot.  I have a magnet heater on bottom of pan and am thinking an electric blanket wrapped around the engine?  She sits outside, will be next to house so can plug 'er in.  Previous owner(s) disconnected the either tank and disconnected the manifold heater.  I would like to get that going if I get time, but time is limited right now.

I have the either bottle/hardware on hand.  The hose ran down beside the manifold but was not connected.  I'm not sure how it is supposed to go?  There is a plug in the manifold that looks like it should go there but it is plugged, I am not sure if I can just screw it in there (after removing plug), or if I will need an adapter?  Until I get that fixed, I have a couple cans of either but would rather do it easier.

Thanks for any info!

AC720Man wrote: I do not recommend using ether. It is hard on engines. A good block heater is your best bet. My XT has a Pre heater, although it works okay, a block heater is preferred. Warming the anti freeze which warms the block makes a huge difference. Our 6060 starts right up after 45 minutes with the block heater. It has ether also but we rarely use it. I have been wanting to install a block heater on my XT also but dread disconnecting all the plumbing to get to the freeze plug. Some day I will get to it.

I hate either, it's a last resort!  I don't know this tractor very well yet, where is the freeze plug on a 190 diesel?

Had a neighbor's wife (hubby was away for his job) start up, or try to start up their 4020 with either.  She first put the throttle about half.... the result... not good, that engine went to pieces in a big hurry.  Yea, either is real bad, esp. in the hands of a city-girl.

I was thinking of the oil heater but have not seen one of those in years.  They still make them?  Would be better than nothing for sure.

Here's one that looks pretty good:

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Translectric-Inc/13-200-BTU-12-Volt-DC-Maradyne-4000-12-Cab-Heater-28-1826.axd" rel="nofollow - https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brands/Translectric-Inc/13-200-BTU-12-Volt-DC-Maradyne-4000-12-Cab-Heater-28-1826.axd

Up here you can buy 'diesel truck heaters' for about $250 Canucks. Would be a lot easier on the tractor batteries compared to ANY electric unit.

you need a LOT of amps to go electric..

you need a lot of hose to go hot water...

you need  'install time' for diesel...

electric is easiest to instal, though you'll need GOOD, heavy wire for the TWO power leads.

to me the hot water from engine would be the 2nd 'cleanest', though I don't know about cost for the 'heater core/fan unit'.

the diesel units do put out a LOT of heat though kinda noisy...

wish I had your problem, I don't have a cab on ANY of my oranges....

Jay

There's all kinds of universal heaters for sale on e-bay pretty inexpensive. I picked one up for my hotrod. There are some that use the coolant for heat, and some that are 12V that have a coil in them and fan to blow heat. You need to do some research and some shopping for one that will do the job. The one I got uses the coolant to heat. Its for my Model T coupe, so there's probably less cabin space in that than your 190XT Cab. The unit I got has three different vents on it...  HTH

Steve@B&B

from Amazon for the engine.  I can work on cab heating once I get a reliable way to start it during the winter.  I'd really like to put a block heater in but don't yet know where the freeze plug is.  Guess I'll go out and look 'er over to locate it/see if possible to replace easily.

In this part of the world...you need both.

I have one of those, it spends most the winter sitting over 3 foot of ice in our ice fishing shanty.  I have/am considering using it in the cab but the important thang is getting her to fire up when it's minus 20.  With the wind blowing, you don't stay out of the cab long or shanty very long.

The wind is soooo strong here, I've lost several tarps.  I gave up on buying those things a while back.  Have had them blow off with alot of weight holding them down, otherwise I would with a torpedo heater going below.

Yup, no shed big enough.  IF this covid cwap dies down... I will not spend anymore winters here to care.  We were going to snowbird starting this year, BUT...... wife won't leave the place now.  Soooo, I need to get this old gal going but hopefully for this coming winter only..... I miss southern AZ and NM bout this time of year.

re: Is there anyway to hang some canvas on the sides and duct the engine heat back into the cab?

After an election , I grabbed some big  'vote 4 me' signs and 'repurposed' them to be  side shrouds for my D-14. It did help keep the engine warmer,though with no cab, I was still out in the cold....

Thanks Darrel, it's there but disconnected before the plug and wrapped in electrical tape.  The wiring on this thing is a mess, I don't think it's connected at the switch.  I need to dig into it so I can hook up the lights and the heater.  I wish there was a way to talk to the previous owner but he no longer knows who/where he is so not possible.

Any idea where the frost plug is so I could put a block heater in?

SteveM C/IL wrote: screw it out and hook it to a battery with the body grounded. Use big wire....it will turn red if working.

Thank-you!  I will do that today.

shameless dude wrote: careful with them propane heaters, they tend to fall over when kicked or bouncing on uneven ground. but i have used them in combine cabs before that didn't have a cab heater.

I've seen them with the head mounted on the roof, supply line ran outside to the tank.  Not really wanting to do that.  I have a nice propane heater that keeps an ice shack in the middle of winter warm enough to wear short sleeved shirts.  Using that could work, it's small enough but it's a last resort I feel for me.  I am looking at:

https://parts.tristaraerial.com/12v-10020-BTU-Cab-Heater-Self-Contained-No-Water-Required_p_771.html" rel="nofollow - https://parts.tristaraerial.com/12v-10020-BTU-Cab-Heater-Self-Contained-No-Water-Required_p_771.html

for a more permanent installation.  Cab heat right now is not my priority though, having the ability to start this old gal is my priority.  Summer got away from me, this cold crap hit a little quicker than expected.  She will not start now without a shot of ether and I *hate* that, it's not good for any engine.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm getting older.  I have used open stations to clean the driveway for years but the cold is really getting to me last couple years, so I need a cab.  If I can't get this figured out, I will see what I can sell her for, take that $$ and trade in a kubota for a tractor with cab/heat/block-heater and front snow blower.

I've thought about building an open ended shed next to the house, sized to be able to drive the 190 in to cover over the top hood up to cab with cut-out for exhaust pipe, covered front/sides and park her in there.  Shove a torpedo heater then there and let a rip for a couple hours before use.  This is a last resort, might end up selling her before I get to that.... freaking price of lumber is absolutely NUTS right now.

Thanks for the answers.  I still think finding the freezeplug is my best shot.

I have one of those, put it on the pan, this morn I plugged it in for 2 hours and felt it.  Felt a little warm so I gave 'er a whirl, no go.  I am leaving it plugged in all night and will try again thurs morn but I don't think it's enough heat.  We'll see.

Put my Mr Heater in cab for SnGs and pretty soon I was able to work on dash wiring in short-sleeves.  Not really enough room in there for that on the floor and operate her, too big.

Removed the manifold heater, used jumper cables straight to bat and she got real hot real quick so that's a good heater.  When I hit the switch it does not give power to the solenoid to put power to the heater so either wiring problem or bad switch.  A quick wire to a toggle switch on the dash to solenoid should solve that problem for now.  LOL, just one more problem to work on, yeesh.

Found the freeze plug on rt side of engine, I think.  It's behind the starter solenoid, would have to remove a couple lines but that is no problem, looks easy enough.  Only thing I'm wondering, on the agco illustrations, it shows the block heater is an oval unit held on by 2 bolts.  The freeze-plug is just that, a plug, no bolts/screws to hold it in.  If I'm looking at it right, where could I find a block heater to go in there and is that the correct placement?

Here is my complete post of what I ran into when installing a block heater on an older 190xt that does not have the block heater port.  I have another post where I failed the first time because it leaked.  I incorrectly referred to it as a frost plug heater.

https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/early-190xt-block-heater-install-results_topic147856_post1227716.html?KW=heater#1227716" rel="nofollow - https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/early-190xt-block-heater-install-results_topic147856_post1227716.html?KW=heater#1227716

This block heater works great that I used and am happy with it!

I have the stopler cab and believe I had the original cab heater.  The heater was disconnected from the rubber hose coming out of the engine block and I never tested it so I removed it.  It looks easy to setup the hoses coming out of the engine though.

Good luck on whatever you do!  I drive by a 185 that has sat outside for at least 10 years, but the guy uses it each year to bale hay.  The paint is almost white faded.  That is a tough old tractor.  None of his hay equipment has ever seen the inside of the barn either for the 10 years I have been driving by it.

Starting a fire underneath a tractor to get it started is crazy, but they didn't own it and I guess they had a job to do.

SteveM C/IL wrote: Don't think the 2 bolt plate is on older 190's....

I bet your right!  Mines a 1965, I have searched every inch, left/right side and there is no oval plate with 2 bolts that I can find.  That is not saying it does not exist, just saying I can't find it, that's why I'm asking for help.  I did find what appears to be a frost plug over/behind the starter solenoid.  All I'm asking for is a conformation from anyone that would know as I'm not sure.  The 2 bolt block heater agco shows has to be for an older model.  If one of the experienced allis guys knows, PLEASE inform me.

I've heard about guys using the ether injector along with the manifold heater, never a good outcome so I do know that's a no-no.

Lots of good info about cab heat, what I really need to know is about the block heater.

Thanks y'all!

Thank-you, I'll read it.  Mines the stopler cab too, but there's no heat/air in it.  There's a hole in the top where I suspect it had one at one time.

Thank-you!

Just read it, tytytytyty, you told me exactly what I needed.  It gets well below zero here Jan/Feb time frame, this might help her start up.  If I have to use the sealant, curing right now might be fun.... LOL

Good luck.  Hopefully your core plug hole won't be oblong like mine.  That really made the job a pain in the butt.  I have used a hair dryer to help sealant setup if it gets cold. 

You are going to be happy with that block heater and manifold heater working.   

As long as you have diesel fuel treatment, all should be good.  I can only imagine how cold it gets in ND compared to Indiana.

Thanks!  Yea, I grew up southwest of Indianapolis.  Your right..... the temps here are hellishly cold in winter.  Wife and my jobs are finished, both retired now, we soooo want to go south for the winter but covid screwed that up this year.

Deutz/Allis 7085 uses an oil heater. Has a heater core in the cab that circulates engine oil rather than hot water. Works excellent down to 30 below then well......nothing works too well.