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 Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 11:35pm |
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well...it's a done deal, went to look it over today (2003 Dodge 3500 dually, cummins 16 valve turbo diesel, 4-door, 4x4, topper, no goose neck ball or hole in box, front and rear reciever hitches, HD grille guard winch ready, all power, other extras). got them talked down on $$$. has a few minor cracks here and there, no rust, no dents, high miles. drives real nice and rides better than i thought it would. took my mechanic with me and he did the crawling under and all over it checking stuff. dealer threw me the keys and said test drive it, he didn't even go along. tested on city streets, highway, gravel roads. license and insurance will be cheaper than on a newer one. feels like a power house! oh...and yes...it is straight piped, but it don't need that DEF stuff! box and topper will stay on thru this winter then i'll start changing beds on the trucks. i have a rust free regular box to put on my other 1 ton, and i'll put the rusty box on the 2500 that i'm taking the flat bed off of. more workouts for the 180 and the hyd crane. maybe i'll take the old lady....ooooops....i mean the loving wife for a ride.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 7:04pm |
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/383
Question 9.
Question 9: May a State require persons operating recreational vehicles or other Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV)s used by family members for non-business purposes to have a CDL? Guidance: Yes. States may extend the CDL requirements to recreational vehicles.
ALSO CAUTION helping the neighbors haul crops in, even if they ONLY pay for the fuel used. Question 28: May a farmer who meets all of the conditions for a farm waiver be waived from the CDL requirements when transporting another farmer’s products absent any written contract? Guidance: If a farmer is transporting another farmer’s products and being paid for doing so, he or she is acting as a contract carrier and does not meet the conditions for a farm waiver. The existence of a contract, written or verbal, is not relevant to the CDL waiver provisions.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 6:57pm |
 Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:
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Ford's rates:
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The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR. They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
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That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere. |
Problem is Fed does trump State and they are using the Fed weight category as that Trump Card. The 17 States that do not honor RV as a specified license fall back to that fact as neither does the Fed, the weight is NOT specific to Commercial trucks it presents the category for Commercial License to operate and the RVs fall into said categories. Air Brakes are part of that. Having a Electric Brake controller and working trailer brakes with a ADEQUATE Breakaway Kit and battery in it as required is part of it. Know of several tickets just for failure to maintain those.
This is NOT going to get any easier nor any slacker as the accidents continue to mount and the idiots using too light of tow vehicles for said purposes to escape the license requirement are not faring well in the game. The haulers finally get enough trouble with too light equipment and buy into the Full Ton Diesels or ton and a quarter chassis then step across a Magic Line, KATY Bar the Door as that opens the path to free access.
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Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 5:47pm |
DMiller wrote:
Ford's rates:
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The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR. They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
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That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 12:01am |
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i agree Tom, i'll be changing the flatbed over if i get the truck. if i'd have known how handi them flatbeds were, i'd have had them years ago! sure is nice to reach for something and not have to reach over and down to get anything. a added a 6 inch side board to my flatbed just for an edge, can still reach or set anything easily onto the bed without any problems. if my flatbed won't fit, i'll buy one that will.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 1:12pm |
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Shameless, I'd go with the flatbed with the anderson gooseneck adapter, that way you'll have plenty of clearance and the option of adjusting for any height you need. I went to Stillwater MFG to spec out a flatbed for my dually.. they did tell me I couldn't go over 8 foot long or I'd be having some turning issues with our brookside camper, the gooseneck is a little longer so not an issue . I like the gooseneck hitch because you don't have all the 5th wheel hitch parts in the bed & in the way.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:49pm |
Ford's rates:
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The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR. They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:41pm |
17 states have adopted CDL requirements for RVs under these very requirements.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:34pm |
This is at that point where the DOT regs start sneaking in. By the time you get a Dually that is heavy enough to tow and handle what are thinking on, and then a trailer behind the GVWR starts sliding to that magic number where DOT regs apply under a weight tag.
GCWR becomes that Elephant in the room wearing a Brown Uniform and a Ticket Book that is NOT for fun and games.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 11:30am |
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I wanted to also say that I get way more use of the flat bed than I ever did in the pickup bed. Just my thoughts
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 11:27am |
I have 3500 ram with a 9’ bed, has a 6” drop channel through center to level the load. This is a picture but don’t think trailer is down on the hitch. If going to pull a trailer, I wouldn’t go back to a single wheel axle. 
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:51am |
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right now Tom, on my GM 3500, with the fifth wheel sitting level the top of the box will hit the nose of the trailer, even if it did hook up if i hit a dip there would be damage. i had thought about putting my flatbed on that truck, but with the height of the hitch it would make the trailer pull nose up on the road.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:45am |
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I don't know how high your truck is lifted but,, I put an Anderson gooseneck adapter hitch on our camper ,those you can squeeze some height out of them, I am going to put a flatbed on mine , had one before and they make life a heck of a lot easier for an old guy that would solve your clearance problem as well
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:33am |
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Had not looked at Dodge since they announced the Mercedes engine crap last year, I am behind times. Still do not like the Stiff Leg frames they put under them, that was tried in HD Trucks DECADES ago with not so good results. Rigid Breaks flexible survives.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:29am |
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thanks ya'll for the inputs...o-k...only reason i'm looking for a dually is for pulling my fifth wheel camper and maybe down the road i'll get a goose neck for hauling anything. i have a great 2500 series GM that pulls the fifth wheel with ease, however i get a funny feeling while pulling of a slight wiggle and i decided i want a little more piece of mind with a dually for stability. might be all in my head, but it should make me feel better. as for leather seats, i've owned vehicles with leather seats, i don't have a garage and the seats are HOT in summer and are COLD in winter, the cold doesn't bother me as much as the HOT does in summer. my butt sweats enough now in summer, i don't need any more help with that! i'm going to go look at a 2003 Dodge 3500 dually tomarrow, has a turbo diesel and 4x4, looks good, we'll see if it follows me home or not. this one is in my price range and i'm taking my mechanic with me. i have a 3500 GM but it has a single rear wheels and it has a lift kit that i really don't wanna remove, but my fifth wheel won't even hook up as the truck is to tall. (i love that truck!) the old lady....ooooops....i mean my loving wife will just hafta wait longer getting her a wrangler. she says she'd rather go camping anyway! hopefully the flat bed off my 2500 will fit on this 3500 if i buy it.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:03am |
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For my 2 cents, in addition to my semi tractors none of them being newer than a 2002 because of all the anti pollution devices the government mandated. Better milage, more power way more reliability. Same thing with pickups. I had a 7.3, a 6.0,the one I have now is a 2004 crew cab 4x4 dually. I bought the dually for a bigger cab and light years ahead for stability pulling our camper or my gooseneck loaded up pretty stout. Yes a SRW will do the job but not even close to the stability of a DRW,, not even close. As far as a 6.0, i put 267,000 on bvb the first one and never had a single problem, this one i have 177,00 knock on wood no problems. It all depends on how you take care of them and keep in mind a diesel is NOT a race car they never were intended to be. The one I have now has an automatic in it and I have to say after 47 years of double clutching I'm getting to where I'm kinda liking the automatic. Just my 2 cents worth
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:45am |
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Tbone, Ram has a different rating between 2500 and 3500 dually trucks with the dually having the High Output Cumminns of over 400hp and 1,000 ft. lb. of torque at 1,800 rpm. I can remember 220 Cummins Diesels in Semi's in the 1960's not having 1,000 lb. ft. of torque!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am |
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Never mind, I see when you go to actually "build one", the Cummins is the diesel for a 2500. I read some info otherwise earlier. A bit confusing. My bad.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am |
I think it all depends on what kind of trailer / load you are hauling and how often... I have a 1/2 ton FORD 4 x 4..... 380 HP gas .... 1800 pound bed load... 10,000 pound trailer load.. I dont do that EVERY DAY, but have done it 3-4 times a year for 100 miles.. Pulling a 3000# car hauler with a 4000# tractor is pretty easy... again a couple times per year.. I do use the truck DAILY to go to the farm, haul blocks, wood, etc... Need the 4 x 4 for off road around the farm / hills.........Could not use a Semi Tractor for what i need to do... Now if i was pulling 10,000 # 15-20 times a year and going 100 miles or more, that might be a different story.
All depends on what your doing... Taking a Semi Tractor and trailer to Menards to get $500. of plywood and 2 x 4 dont make a lot of sense.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:19am |
Mark, what qualifies as "Heavy Duty"? I'm just curious, certainly not in the market!  But a 2500 is still listed as ecodiesel, the Motori, so are they talking 1 Ton plus?
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:06am |
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Cummins Inc. on February 3,2020 announced a multi-year extension of its current agreement with Chrysler Group LLC. Cummins will supply 6.7-liter Turbo Diesel engines for Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks while continuing to grow its partnership with Chrysler, which began 21 years ago.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:05am |
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Ecodiesel is made by VM Motori…….IDK if you can still get a Cummins? Maybe so?
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:59am |
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DMiller Ram pickups are still Cummins Diesel. Shameless I had leather in my 2002 GMC and loved it. Of course it eventually wore cracks in it from getting in and out but so does cloth! I put a seat cover over it and carried on!
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:30am |
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Just curious, why not leather? My pickup is cloth but wife's SUV is leather, I really like it. As for what you are getting I have no opinion.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 7:29am |
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Dodge is now Mercedes powered, GM Duramax still has its issues, Fords Power strokes are just stroke generators anymore. Lifespans are down on ALL of them as to significant failures, the gas engines are not much better where if get one that will tow a load are Gas Guzzlers. Old Formula of HP/Weight/BTU Fuel Consumption required has NOT changed. Enviro nuts got the Sulphur removed from diesel, a MAJOR contributor to BTU value and the fuel now takes significant MORE to drive the same loads same miles, seriously do not understand the morons coming up with these 'Brilliant, Genie-ass' theories as to producing a Clean IC Engine, that is NONSENSE.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 6:20am |
Yea you guys are all right. I will just stay with my Fords!  Regards, Chris
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 5:04am |
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i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them! i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here! |
If you are looking at gas models, I’d steer away from the Hemi power Rams and stick to the GM’s. Diesel models, different story.
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Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:03am |
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Shameless' stick with GM..
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:17pm |
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i also looked at a few toterhomes...whew...a little out of my price range on them!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:16pm |
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i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them! i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here!
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