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Topic: dually pickups
Posted By: shameless dude
Subject: dually pickups
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2020 at 10:59pm
i've been looking for a decent dually pickup for the past few months...o-k...about a year now. anyways seems like most all that have them are keeping them longer. really hard to find a GM or Ram with cloth interior, don't matter if gas or diesel, auto or stick...would prefer a stick tho. anyways...the old lady....oooops....i mean the loving wife and i went for a fall drive today and drove thru a small town that had a used car dealer there. has a 2011 Ram dually 4 dr, 4x4, and that sucker has 22.5 tires on it! whew! not a bad looking truck, then i found it had leather interior and told her i'll pass on it. guess i never seen one with semi tires on one! any of ya'll ever seen that?



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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:20am
It's probably cheaper to re-tread than buying them 'designer rubbers' you see on 'showboats'. Gotta be better rubber too !!


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Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: fixer1958
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:52am
Probably a 5500


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 6:33am
Going to be a serious issue finding a Stick in less than a ton and half these days, the big del is keeping the engine on torque curve for economy that and those not wanting to have to tear into a clutch as they pull all too heavy loads with them. 

Spoke to local dealer over a year ago as to finding ME a newer(not new) truck used not too hard and stick, he noted that nearly all the reasonable manual trans trucks went to the US SW or into the MT or ID areas most not around here as would only find one of two or three hundred used with a stick.  Autos are as if not more dependable and less problematic as to finding someone to repair when do go down.  Then there are the problem children that buy stick trucks just cause they can and drive them like a NASCAR track racer, hard on everything where when they get done with them become back yard queens being worked on non stop or wrecking yard piece makers.


Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 6:58am
GM stopped offering a standard transmission in pickups in 2005. Even then the Duramax in a standard was lower horsepower. Get an Allison transmission and you will not be sorry. Have a 10 sp Allison in my new pickup and it is sweet!

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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 7:04am
SD,
You need one of these!
Probably no stick though?
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:07am
It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer

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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:12am
New truck shortage is leading to higher prices for used for sure.
2018 was last year for Ram to offer manual.


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'48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:16am
Shame, i bought a truck with leather seats... I bought a seat cover made of some canvas type stuff with velcro straps around the back and bottom.. Goes on in about 3 minutes... I take it off every 4 months and throw in the washing machine.

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: john(MI)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 9:56am
If you're like me and live on a dirt road.  Then go to the car wash.  You can't take a dually thru a drive thru car wash, don't fit.  Just something to think about.  Friend bought a one ton single wheel mainly because of that, and it has the same power as a dually.  He pulls a 35' fifth wheel around behind him, MI the FL and back.


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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:10am
OHOH..........Sugarmaker, you're in trouble now....


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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:42am
Originally posted by thendrix thendrix wrote:

It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer
 
You betya, the problem is circled right there on the grill. 

 For the longest time I was a staunch believer that automatics were not for pulling trailers. A few years ago I did the driving out to a pull at Bowling Green Oh. because the fellow with the tractors had injured his sight for a bit and wasn't comfortable doing any night or highway driving. We had an early 2000 something Dodge with the HO 6.7 and factory automatic and I was impressed with the overall performance. The trailer was a 32'dual/tandem with an hydraulic rear tail. The two tractors weighed about 13.000 total.  In today's world I would have an automatic, if it was one that was up to the task, not one from 10-20 years ago unless it was a big truck Allison with proper rear end gearing.

For what these new pickups cost these days and all the electronic crap that will give up in a few years an older road tractor is a better buy and much safer for pulling trailers. Tires will last much longer. Brakes last much longer. Manual transmissions don't give up because of high torque engine in front of them, I could go on and on, bottom line,,, What's not to like? I'll never go back to using a P/U for a primary trailer puller. Today's light/medium duty trucks have the power, however when you compare braking they are severely lacking.  

Here's my duallyThumbs Up



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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 2:14pm
Yes Shamer just buy a leather seat vehicle and put a seat cover on it of the material you like and problem solved.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by thendrix thendrix wrote:

It takes that much Ford to pull that trailer
 
You betya, the problem is circled right there on the grill. 

 For the longest time I was a staunch believer that automatics were not for pulling trailers. A few years ago I did the driving out to a pull at Bowling Green Oh. because the fellow with the tractors had injured his sight for a bit and wasn't comfortable doing any night or highway driving. We had an early 2000 something Dodge with the HO 6.7 and factory automatic and I was impressed with the overall performance. The trailer was a 32'dual/tandem with an hydraulic rear tail. The two tractors weighed about 13.000 total.  In today's world I would have an automatic, if it was one that was up to the task, not one from 10-20 years ago unless it was a big truck Allison with proper rear end gearing.

For what these new pickups cost these days and all the electronic crap that will give up in a few years an older road tractor is a better buy and much safer for pulling trailers. Tires will last much longer. Brakes last much longer. Manual transmissions don't give up because of high torque engine in front of them, I could go on and on, bottom line,,, What's not to like? I'll never go back to using a P/U for a primary trailer puller. Today's light/medium duty trucks have the power, however when you compare braking they are severely lacking.  

Here's my duallyThumbs Up


There is a Reason I traded out to the Dead KW I am getting, Be a heck of a toter when running again.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:16pm
i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them!  i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here! 


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2020 at 10:17pm
i also looked at a few toterhomes...whew...a little out of my price range on them!


Posted By: dawntreader74
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:03am
Shameless' stick with GM..


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 5:04am
Originally posted by shameless dude shameless dude wrote:

i agree Tyler...that red thing is overloaded now with that dinky trailer behind it! the Ram pickup 3500 1-ton. i'm sure them tires would prolly last a long time, wonder if they would give out a death wobble? i have a 3500 GMC 4-dr 4x4, diesel 5 spd stick, but it's a lifted truck (only used for transportation past 10 years because (27 MPG) and a great ride. i don't wanna take the lift kit out, and it's to tall to pull the fifth wheel. i love that truck! i also still have the Chevy 2500 4x4 flatbed that we use to pull the fifth wheel, 454 with an auto. it's the one the squirrels chewed up the wires in the engine compartment. it pulls just fine but when pulling i can feel (maybe just in my head) a slight wiggle, makes me put a death grip on the steering wheel. have talked to others and they had the same feeling, and went and bought a dually, and that took the "wiggles" away for them!  i think that Ram 3500 we looked at is to tall for my fifth wheel too. but i did find another dually Ram at the same location, it has cloth seats and is an auto diesel 4 dr 4x4 but down lower, think i'll go for a test drive sometime this week. i don't care if gas or diesel, but do still need the 4x4, have had to use 4x4 several times to get out of a campground or camp space. just not gonna spend alot of money for one for the amount of use it'll get. but when i wanna go, i want it here! 
If you are looking at gas models, I’d steer away from the Hemi power Rams and stick to the GM’s. Diesel models, different story.


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 6:20am
Yea you guys are all right. I will just stay with my Fords!Smile
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 7:29am
Dodge is now Mercedes powered, GM Duramax still has its issues, Fords Power strokes are just stroke generators anymore.  Lifespans are down on ALL of them as to significant failures, the gas engines are not much better where if get one that will tow a load are Gas Guzzlers.  Old Formula of HP/Weight/BTU Fuel Consumption required has NOT changed.  Enviro nuts got the Sulphur removed from diesel, a MAJOR contributor to BTU value and the fuel now takes significant MORE to drive the same loads same miles, seriously do not understand the morons coming up with these 'Brilliant, Genie-ass' theories as to producing a Clean IC Engine, that is NONSENSE.


Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:30am
Just curious, why not leather?  My pickup is cloth but wife's SUV is leather, I really like it.  As for what you are getting I have no opinion.

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Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 8:59am
DMiller Ram pickups are still Cummins Diesel. Shameless I had leather in my 2002 GMC and loved it. Of course it eventually wore cracks in it from getting in and out but so does cloth! I put a seat cover over it and carried on!


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:05am
Ecodiesel is made by VM Motori…….IDK if you can still get a Cummins? Maybe so?


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:06am
Cummins Inc. on February 3,2020 announced a multi-year extension of its current agreement with Chrysler Group LLC. Cummins will supply 6.7-liter Turbo Diesel engines for Ram Heavy Duty pickups and Chassis Cab trucks while continuing to grow its partnership with Chrysler, which began 21 years ago.


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:19am
Mark, what qualifies as "Heavy Duty"? I'm just curious, certainly not in the market!    But a 2500 is still listed as ecodiesel, the Motori, so are they talking 1 Ton plus?


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am
I think it all depends on what kind of trailer / load you are hauling and how often... I have a 1/2 ton FORD 4 x 4..... 380 HP gas .... 1800 pound bed load... 10,000 pound trailer load.. I dont do that EVERY DAY, but have done it 3-4 times a year for 100 miles.. Pulling a 3000# car hauler with a 4000# tractor is pretty easy... again a couple times per year.. I do use the truck DAILY to go to the farm,  haul blocks, wood, etc... Need the 4 x 4 for off road around the farm / hills.........Could not use a Semi Tractor for what i need to do... Now if i was pulling 10,000 # 15-20 times a year and going 100 miles or more, that might be a different story.

All depends on what your doing... Taking a Semi Tractor and trailer to Menards to get $500. of plywood and 2 x 4 dont make a lot of sense.


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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:24am
Never mind, I see when you go to actually "build one", the Cummins is the diesel for a 2500. I read some info otherwise earlier. A bit confusing. My bad.


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 9:45am
Tbone, Ram has a different rating between 2500 and 3500 dually trucks with the dually having the High Output Cumminns of over 400hp and 1,000 ft. lb. of torque at 1,800 rpm. I can remember 220 Cummins Diesels in Semi's in the 1960's not having 1,000 lb. ft. of torque!


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:03am
For my 2 cents, in addition to my semi tractors none of them being newer than a 2002 because of all the anti pollution devices the government mandated. Better milage, more power way more reliability. Same thing with pickups. I had a 7.3, a 6.0,the one I have now is a 2004 crew cab 4x4 dually. I bought the dually for a bigger cab and light years ahead for stability pulling our camper or my gooseneck loaded up pretty stout. Yes a SRW will do the job but not even close to the stability of a DRW,, not even close. As far as a 6.0, i put 267,000 on bvb the first one and never had a single problem, this one i have 177,00 knock on wood no problems. It all depends on how you take care of them and keep in mind a diesel is NOT a race car they never were intended to be. The one I have now has an automatic in it and I have to say after 47 years of double clutching I'm getting to where I'm kinda liking the automatic. Just my 2 cents worth


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:29am
thanks ya'll for the inputs...o-k...only reason i'm looking for a dually is for pulling my fifth wheel camper and maybe down the road i'll get a goose neck for hauling anything. i have a great 2500 series GM that pulls the fifth wheel with ease, however i get a funny feeling while pulling of a slight wiggle and i decided i want a little more piece of mind with a dually for stability. might be all in my head, but it should make me feel better. as for leather seats, i've owned vehicles with leather seats, i don't have a garage and the seats are HOT in summer and are COLD in winter, the cold doesn't bother me as much as the HOT does in summer. my butt sweats enough now in summer, i don't need any more help with that! i'm going to go look at a 2003 Dodge 3500 dually tomarrow, has a turbo diesel and 4x4, looks good, we'll see if it follows me home or not. this one is in my price range and i'm taking my mechanic with me. i have a 3500 GM but it has a single rear wheels and it has a lift kit that i really don't wanna remove, but my fifth wheel won't even hook up as the truck is to tall. (i love that truck!) the old lady....ooooops....i mean my loving wife will just hafta wait longer getting her a wrangler. she says she'd rather go camping anyway! hopefully the flat bed off my 2500 will fit on this 3500 if i buy it.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:33am
Had not looked at Dodge since they announced the Mercedes engine crap last year, I am behind times.  Still do not like the Stiff Leg frames they put under them, that was tried in HD Trucks DECADES ago with not so good results.  Rigid Breaks flexible survives.


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:45am
I don't know how high your truck is lifted but,, I put an Anderson gooseneck adapter hitch on our camper ,those you can squeeze some height out of them, I am going to put a flatbed on mine , had one before and they make life a heck of a lot easier for an old guy that would solve your clearance problem as well


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 10:51am
right now Tom, on my GM 3500, with the fifth wheel sitting level the top of the box will hit the nose of the trailer, even if it did hook up if i hit a dip there would be damage. i had thought about putting my flatbed on that truck, but with the height of the hitch it would make the trailer pull nose up on the road. 


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 11:27am
I have 3500 ram with a 9’ bed, has a 6” drop channel through center to level the load. This is a picture but don’t think trailer is down on the hitch. If going to pull a trailer, I wouldn’t go back to a single wheel axle.


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 11:30am
I wanted to also say that I get way more use of the flat bed than I ever did in the pickup bed. Just my thoughts


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:34pm
This is at that point where the DOT regs start sneaking in.  By the time you get a Dually that is heavy enough to tow and handle what are thinking on, and then a trailer behind the GVWR starts sliding to that magic number where DOT regs apply under a weight tag.

GCWR becomes that Elephant in the room wearing a Brown Uniform and a Ticket Book that is NOT for fun and games.

http://https://www.ramtruck.ca/en_dir/pdf/Ram_ChassisCab_TowingPayload_Chart_EN.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.ramtruck.ca/en_dir/pdf/Ram_ChassisCab_TowingPayload_Chart_EN.pdf   

http://https://www.felling.com/towing-cdl-requirements/" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.felling.com/towing-cdl-requirements/


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:41pm
17 states have adopted CDL requirements for RVs under these very requirements.

https://www.campanda.com/magazine/rv-special-drivers-license-requirements/" rel="nofollow - https://www.campanda.com/magazine/rv-special-drivers-license-requirements/


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 12:49pm
Ford's rates:
http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf

GMs:

http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf

The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR.  They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.


Posted By: TomC
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2020 at 1:12pm
Shameless, I'd go with the flatbed with the anderson gooseneck adapter, that way you'll have plenty of clearance and the option of adjusting for any height you need. I went to Stillwater MFG to spec out a flatbed for my dually.. they did tell me I couldn't go over 8 foot long or I'd be having some turning issues with our brookside camper, the gooseneck is a little longer so not an issue . I like the gooseneck hitch because you don't have all the 5th wheel hitch parts in the bed & in the way.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 12:01am
i agree Tom, i'll be changing the flatbed over if i get the truck. if i'd have known how handi them flatbeds were, i'd have had them years ago! sure is nice to reach for something and not have to reach over and down to get anything. a added a 6 inch side board to my flatbed just for an edge, can still reach or set anything easily onto the bed without any problems. if my flatbed won't fit, i'll buy one that will. 


Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Ford's rates:
http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf

GMs:

http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf

The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR.  They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere.

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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Ford's rates:
http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyCC_r1_Dec17.pdf

GMs:

http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/chevrolet/na/us/english/index/vehicle-groups/trailering-and-towing/trucks/02-pdfs/2020-chevrolet-trailering-guide.pdf

The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR.  They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere.

Problem is Fed does trump State and they are using the Fed weight category as that Trump Card.  The 17 States that do not honor RV as a specified license fall back to that fact as neither does the Fed, the weight is NOT specific to Commercial trucks it presents the category for Commercial License to operate and the RVs fall into said categories.  Air Brakes are part of that.  Having a Electric Brake controller and working trailer brakes with a ADEQUATE Breakaway Kit and battery in it as required is part of it.  Know of several tickets just for failure to maintain those.

This is NOT going to get any easier nor any slacker as the accidents continue to mount and the idiots using too light of tow vehicles for said purposes to escape the license requirement are not faring well in the game.  The haulers finally get enough trouble with too light equipment and buy into the Full Ton Diesels or ton and a quarter chassis then step across a Magic Line, KATY Bar the Door as that opens the path to free access.


Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 7:04pm
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/383%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/383

Question 9.

Question 9: May a State require persons operating recreational vehicles or other Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV)s used by family members for non-business purposes to have a CDL?

Guidance: Yes. States may extend the CDL requirements to recreational vehicles.


ALSO CAUTION helping the neighbors haul crops in, even if they ONLY pay for the fuel used.

Question 28: May a farmer who meets all of the conditions for a farm waiver be waived from the CDL requirements when transporting another farmer’s products absent any written contract?

Guidance: If a farmer is transporting another farmer’s products and being paid for doing so, he or she is acting as a contract carrier and does not meet the conditions for a farm waiver. The existence of a contract, written or verbal, is not relevant to the CDL waiver provisions.




Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2020 at 11:35pm
well...it's a done deal, went to look it over today (2003 Dodge 3500 dually, cummins 16 valve turbo diesel, 4-door, 4x4, topper, no goose neck ball or hole in box, front and rear reciever hitches, HD grille guard winch ready, all power, other extras). got them talked down on $$$. has a few minor cracks here and there, no rust, no dents, high miles. drives real nice and rides better than i thought it would. took my mechanic with me and he did the crawling under and all over it checking stuff. dealer threw me the keys and said test drive it, he didn't even go along. tested on city streets, highway, gravel roads. license and insurance will be cheaper than on a newer one. feels like a power house! oh...and yes...it is straight piped, but it don't need that DEF stuff! box and topper will stay on thru this winter then i'll start changing beds on the trucks. i have a rust free regular box to put on my other 1 ton, and i'll put the rusty box on the 2500 that i'm taking the flat bed off of. more workouts for the 180 and the hyd crane. maybe i'll take the old lady....ooooops....i mean the loving wife for a ride.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 3:32am

 Well,,Good Buddy,,,I'm glad you finally fount what you wanted ,,,,and,,,,and,,,at the "discounted Price"  you was lookin forClapClap,,,UMMmm,,,you never did say what you had to give for it,,,did you,,?
 Say,,,!!!!,,,that thing will be just right for handleing your trailer with that "You Know What" down to that certain place in the great Southwest,,,,right,,?  Right,,??


Posted By: klinemar
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 5:56am
B series Cumminns are damn good engines! I believe you will be happy Shameless!


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2020 at 7:19am
thanks...so far so good, but it's only been 2 days! lol, my mechanic knows these engines and said it sure sounded good. i'll hafta find where the plug in is on it, or if it even needs to be plugged in in the cold, my diesel burb never had to be plugged in to start in the coldest days. my diesel GMC does hafta be plugged in. i know it's alot easier on them if they are plugged in. the old lady....ooooops....i mean the loving wife gets to retire in about 12-13 months...then LOOK THE **** OUT! lol


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2020 at 1:18am
well Joe...my mechanic tolt me that i stole that truck! the old lady...ooooops....i mean the loving wife....loves that straight pipe!


Posted By: JohnColo
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2020 at 9:10pm
Hey, maybe you could drive it out here with that Gleaner grain head we talked about last Spring.  In fact, if you have a big enough trailer, you could haul Joe's Chevy powered AC and deliver it to him.  When you come by my place you can stop in and visit the Stockholder!


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 12:00am
John...all was fine and dandy until that last statement...


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 3:59am

 Well,,,,,,,,I WOULD NOT venture to alledge that ole John would do anything to try to undermine you with his favorite neighbor, who just happens to be kin to you,,,,,,but you have to know how them westerners tend to be bout their neighbors,,,,and,,,and,,they are just like THAT,,,(waving crossed fingers)     altho,,,,,,,it might behoove you to stay on ole John's good side by bringing his combine part that he thinks would seal ya'lls friendship for another 3-4 months,,,,,?WinkWink
 And,,,,and,,I'm likin how he always thinks bout his true friends,,,,,,,,like me and that tractor he's mentioning to you,,,,,,,Clap


Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 5:46am
Shameless,
 Congrats on the truck, I think. But it didn't really happen unless there are pictures of you, the new truck, and the loving wife. Lets see if you can come up with one?Smile 
Regards,
 Chris


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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 10:02am
Standard or auto?
Congrats


Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2020 at 10:03pm
If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 1:02am
it's an auto tranny, would rather have had a stick...but oh well! everything works on it including the remote mirrors. dunno if they heat or not, it won't be used as a daily driver after the 30 days of free time without plates! there isn't an owners manuel with it, maybe i'll come across one sometime. will need better tires when going any distances with it. that's one thing i do after buying something, always put new tires on the stuff. learned the hard way years ago! sure saves walking and lots of work! had to laugh at a sticker on the topper...says: if you want to flush up more birds, hunt with an ugly dog! lol. i just put new tires on the 3/4 ton this truck is replacing PfffffT! maybe them tires will fit this truck, haven't checked yet. the 180 and ag crane will get a workout when i start changing boxes around. anyone know if that plastic headlight cover is a one piece that is included with the headlights behind it? this one is really faded, i took some brake fluid and cleaned them up pretty good but it won't last long being out in the sun. so far 3 of the dogs can jump up inside the cab, i may put the seats up and put a carpet cover piece of plywood in the back seat area for them to lay on. Tom...she finds all kinds of chit for me to do now while she's still employed, she's a slave driver! hopefully i'll have it all done before she retires! the truck seems a little tall, gonna hafta slide down under and see if it can be lowered a bit or not. the seats are comfy and don't hurt my back driving it, they are cloth seats. i think it'll work out o-k, if not i'm sure i can get my money back out of it. man...them straight pipes talk! lol  


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 5:41am
Originally posted by HD6GTOM HD6GTOM wrote:

If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.

Yes pay special attention to this post. A coworker is on his 3rd 6speed manual on a 2006 Dodge.
Each time it has needed a clutch as well. This last trip to the shop was north of 7 grand. They over filled to the point it was running out the input. Mechanic said it needed over filled by a lot to lube bearings that weren’t getting lube.
Here in the hills he’s constantly shifting.
Autos work well with a 6 cylinder diesel.


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 5:48am
Drive it enough with the straight pipe and you'll be ready for a muffler.

Summer school headstone:

NO Class


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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 10:23am
If you cannot lower it a bit, Wink just take it the guys putting all the bling on trucks for the hot shot kids and have fancy chromed out running boards put on. You want the fancy retracting ones. Wink If you stand close to truck and open the door, they pop out and bang you shins up. LOL


I have helped one neighbor that had that set up. He even complained about it, as his 70  year old dad had picked them out and had them put on as he was short and had trouble get in. I was warned by the other help and still got kicked once.LOL 


But if you get them be a good excuse to take a Wink stockholder for a ride. Get him herded up real close the the truck on passenger side and then open the drivers door. LOL


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Thad in AR. Thad in AR. wrote:

Originally posted by HD6GTOM HD6GTOM wrote:

If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.

Yes pay special attention to this post. A coworker is on his 3rd 6speed manual on a 2006 Dodge.
Each time it has needed a clutch as well. This last trip to the shop was north of 7 grand. They over filled to the point it was running out the input. Mechanic said it needed over filled by a lot to lube bearings that weren’t getting lube.
Here in the hills he’s constantly shifting.
Autos work well with a 6 cylinder diesel.


Posted By: allisbred
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2020 at 10:56am
I have a 2006 3500 5.9 6spd dually and have never replaced a transmission, motor mount yes as it broke backing up heavy loads, has ~150k on it and would expect front end near the 200 mark as the motor is heavy.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 3:02am
well i measured my flat bed, it's long enough, but is about 6 inches to narrow on each side. spose i could have an extension added to each side?  


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 3:03am
oh...and anyone out there have an engine or exhaust brake on their pickup? which is better? i'm thinking one might save my brakes a while longer when pulling the trailer?


Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 7:03am
The exhaust brake became factory installed at some point although I don't know just what year. the one on Dodges is so quiet, you won't notice when it's working.  Look to see if you have a big thing with an actuator arm on the rear of your turbo.   The "PAC Brake" Combines the exhaust brake with a valve train brake and empty it will feel like standing on the service brakes. 

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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY


Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 7:12am
Our 2001 Dodge Cummins we use to pull our camper has an aftermarket exhaust brake. Previous owner installed it. Does help quite a bit although we've never pulled in the "mountains" with it. So don't know how well it would react in real steep circumstances. There's quite a bit of under dash and under hood hoses and wires to it. Can get some pictures if you like and send sometime.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 10:07pm
can you put the pics on here?


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 10:08pm
i have no idea what they look like or how they work, never been around them before.


Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2020 at 11:04pm
I'll get some info to you within the next several days if that's OK. Has been a while since I put pics on this site. Think they changed the format for posting them some time ago but I will try.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2020 at 8:14pm
thanks!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2020 at 10:45pm
looks something like this.....




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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 3:58am
sure don't look like much...for the money....huh?


Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 3:58am
run it with a toggle on the dash?


Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 7:56am
We have a Banks brake system on ours. As I said it was installed by the previous owner. Run by toggle switch. Turn on and it automatically does it's thing. Kicks on and off according to the speed you're traveling as the vehicle slows. Also has an electronic transmission lock under the dash that works in conjunction with the brake. This is a nice setup that works great. Sounds like a semi Jake brake when engaged with a much more muffled sound. Having said all that while this is a nice addition to the vehicle unless you're especially wealthy doubt I'd spend the bucks for it. These are well over $1,000 and depending on your model vehicle some are pushing $2,000. Some come with the transmission lock in a kit and some don't. Google Banks brake systems and read all about it. Was going to get some pictures but all that can really be seen is the top of the canister showing above the exhaust system. Hope this helps some.


Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 9:58am
  I bet with his straght pipes it would really kackel 


Posted By: Roger (NE)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2020 at 12:09pm
Doubt you'll want a straight pipe on it for long. Ours has bigger aftermarket exhaust (with a muffler) and still is louder than I prefer. Again put on by previous owner. Dodge folks at the campgrounds smile and think it's great. Chevy and Ford people tend to frown and have negative comments about the noise!



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