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shameless dude
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it's the maroon 4-dr dually, appears to have 10 bolt rims.
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shameless dude
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the place i bought my dually from has another Dodge 3500 dually that has semi tires on it, i didn't look to close at the rims, the tires are i think...255Rx22.5 go look on the web site: www.brettspauldingsales.net
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Michael V (NM)
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I need 6 of these 22.5's for a 1960 f-600,, a store in Amarillo quoted me $400 ea....like to replace the 8.25 widow makers that are on it now....although the tires that are on it now are decent and will last a long time,, just don't want to have a flat,,cause I don't think anyone around here will fix them... |
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allisbred
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Those are standard wheels on 60’s through mid 70’s D500 trucks.They are very common around here. Do you get to PA any? Might be able to round some 8.25 x 20’s up for you.
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Clay
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My 1954 Ford F500 uses 8.25x20
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HD6GTOM
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That's a common 6 bolt bud rim. There are many 9x22.5 tires still made. Goodyear G661HSA, Double coin, Michelin XZA, Iron Man Steer, Laclede camlock, etc. Any mom and pop tire shop should be able to get them for you. Your old tires might have some trade in value.
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DMiller
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Another alternate, find 19.5s in a six lug budd pattern.
Edited by DMiller - 18 Oct 2020 at 3:39pm |
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steve(ill)
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either way................ as a side note, i have mounted many tires on a rim that was 1 inch off in width....... not a problem.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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modirt
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The alternative I keep running in my mind is to find a set of one piece 8.25 x 20 rims....as I'm told those tires are common....but would probably be a tube type. As there were a lot of old trucks running 7.5 x 20 and 8.25 x 20, this does not seem like it should be this hard to resolve.
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DMiller
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Becomes a Run what can buy issue.
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modirt
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Rather than to hijack recent post about Dodge truck rims, went back and found this one. Have an additional question. On the rims in question, I did buy them, cleaned them up, etc. Tire size listed on them is 22.5/6.00 Also says max tire size is 9 / 22.5 Again, these are intended to replace 7.5/20 on Firestone RH5 (widow maker) rims. Problem being, nobody seems to be able to find anything smaller than 10/22.5 and those only in a highway tread. Have been told they will work......will have a bulging tread in middle, but on the low speed farm use hay monster, won't be a problem. Thoughts?
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200Tom1
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Yep you got it figured out. If you can go tubeless tires, cheaper south Korean made tire should work good for you.
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modirt
Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 6609 |
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Think I found my rims. They are 22.5# Budd style tubeless, with same 6 hole pattern and hole size. They were on some type of Ford truck. $75 each or $300 for a set of 4. Unfortunately, tires on them are worse than what I already have, so need to hunt down tires to fit. That may be to my benefit.......as I'll probably need to go as narrow as I can to get them to fit. |
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DiyDave
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Now that I see the pics, they do look like budd wheels. My Isuzu NPR has 'em on it. One might be able to take 16" Budd wheels, like on the NPR, and cut the centers out of them, then center the cutouts onto a set of 20" donor wheels (the hard part, LOL), and weld the new bolt pattern over the donor wheels. Of course you have to cut out the old bolt pattern, on the donor wheels or drill or burn out with a torch. Depends on how much time and tooling you have versus money to buy the correct wheel. Military may be a source: You might be able to find 6 bolt 8.75" reinforcing rings, somewhere, too, try calling M.E. Miller tire, they might be able to get you a line on them. Also, Gensco tire, that sells aircraft tires, and military tires, may be able to help, too...
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DMiller
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This is the slightly larger GMC I put seals in and brakes on disassembled.
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DMiller
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Called full floating rear end, do not have to remove everything wheel related to remove a axle shaft(Large flange looking at you) to remove the third member if need be, will likely have TWO seals on this axle, the Old school method was a Axle Flange Gasket with a Tube end seal built in it then the retainer Nut(s) for the outer bearing, removing tires and wheels does make it easier with the axle on a support stand. Back the brake shoes adjusters full OFF, remove the bearing nuts(will be lock tabbed), outer bearing then drag the hub assembly off. Is a axle seal to remove to get the inner bearing out of the hub, should have a P/N on it to match locally. The tube seal flange gasket you can discard and ignore from now on, bearings will become Oil Bath from here out. Have not seen those old gasket seal assemblies for at least thirty years, will be a p/n on them, can always try to replace if feel the need but doubt still available.
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modirt
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Never have........I'm one of those guys whose only experience at this level is kicking the tires and lighting the fires! BTW, big difference between ignorant and stupid. Or put another way, brain surgery isn't hard if you know how........but if you don't know how.......you don't have much business trying it. When it comes to stuff like this I've always deferred to guys who know how. This time, I've having to do it myself. Kinda fun.....but there is a learning curve.
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steve(ill)
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If I understand correctly, these are hub pilot rims........not sure if this particular two nut system is common......so challenge when looking for a replacement is to find modern rims to fit these studs.....
OOOPS... after reading Steve and Dave posts, I see that the WHEEL STUD NUTS are double and you are not talking about the axle half shaft bolts !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DMiller
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Is a ton and half or two ton axle. IF the removal of the outer nut backs off the inner then take the rest outers off, there is a tool to hold the outer nut and drive the inner thru the outer. Typical Budd Wheel nuts Righty Tighty Lefty Tighty on these, Left Side should be marked L on the head of the inner nut. 8.75 is a real common pattern six lug.
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SteveM C/IL
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Eewh! Those are ball and seat,not hub pilot. The hex nut is the outer nut and the square head is the inner nut. Both seat into a taper. Remove outer first,then outer wheel. Remove inner off it's stud and remove inner wheel. Sometimes the inner wants to turn with the outer....not fun.
Your life would be better if you could get hubs /wheels that are pilot hub and one nut holds both wheels. Mid 60's Chevy 2 ton used that type. Edited by SteveM C/IL - 25 Jul 2019 at 1:43pm |
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steve(ill)
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here is a little movie of the axle half shaft drive... some variations, but all 1 tons ( some 3/4) and above are similar.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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steve(ill)
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Modirt, don't know if you have every had a 1 ton axle ( or above) apart before... the "TWO SETS OF BOLTS" is common for any larger truck.. On a car or half ton truck, you pull the alxe half shaft with the flange and studs and outboard bearing ( or race) all in one piece.. On a BIG truck the alxe is not loaded with the outboard bearing... You pull the center ring of bolts which disconnects the axle half shaft from the hub / wheel... you can pull that small flange with the axle shaft on it out of the housing... Wheel / tire/ mounting bolts all stay in place on the axle housing.. You don't need to mess with the INNER ring of bolts, just the 6 OUTER bolts on 8.75 inch circle.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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modirt
Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Jul 2018 Location: Missouri Points: 6609 |
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So to confirm.....these are 6 lugs and do have the 8.75 bolt pattern. If I understand correctly, these are hub pilot rims........not sure if this particular two nut system is common......so challenge when looking for a replacement is to find modern rims to fit these studs..... Semi-unrelated to this thread......I also need to replace the master brake cylinder......and thus the need to open the bleeder valves. Happy to report that after numerous soakings with PB Blaster, and later Free All, all four bleeders gave it up without incident. |
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modirt
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modirt
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These are the fronts. As near as I can tell, a form of solid rim with modern tubeless tires, which look like they got some life left in them, if they winter indoors.....as they will be doing under my stewardship. |
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Michael V (NM)
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A good tire shop should be able to get you new rims,, in 20" with just a split ring, or tubeless 22.5,,or maybe even 24.5,,
I would go with tubeless 22.5's that match the size you have now There should be no need to go to the trouble of swapping hubs, brakes an all that... BTW, what kind rims are on the steer-front axle? Edited by Michael V (NM) - 24 Jul 2019 at 11:04pm |
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modirt
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My hope was to find some direct replacement rims, hopefully with decent tires already mounted, that I could use as a direct replacement and just swap em out. Just started this quest, so they may turn up eventually. Good news is the ones on there now are still holding air, so have some time.....but sometime before next summer at the latest. Lacking that, it looks like I've got options.....from swapping hubs, all the way up to a different axle, with rims and tires already in place. BTW, have not mentioned this yet, but this axle has brake drums.....and not too sure what condition the pads are in. Have heard those are getting harder to find. Could be I wind up with a different axle, modern tires and disk brakes?
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DMiller
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Appears as a Ford P/N on that F106 housing, if anything time to buy Dayton Spoke hubs and convert to common 22.5 Wedge wheels as most old trucks were. Bearings were common to all, either Ford or GMC or IHC just different wheel ends difference in seals.
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DonBC
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Most truck manufacturers did not make their own axles. They would be supplied by a third party supplier. The vehicle manufacturer might have called for special specifications but usually you could find the same axle say, under a Ford as under a Dodge of the same year. The same would happen with manual transmissions.
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Michael V (NM)
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Now if I could find some for my Studebaker.....it's got them widomakers on it,, but their like a 5 on on 7 1/2",(I'm not sure on the exact measurement) and are the 'hub pilot' not the 2 nut 'budd' type,, there out there,jus kinda like finding hens teeth tho..
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