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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:17pm |
So I got this idea to build a B on steel wheels, like a war era. With ideas like fallowing, please let me know what you guys think is or isnt correct.
Steel wheels
cast final drive covers (bull gear cover)
cast valve cover
cast oil pan
hand start
PTO only
Steel seat
hand brakes
What you guys think?
Anyone have an idea on years available? war was 39-45, I would assume several yrs if not all the years of the war.......
here is a simular pic out of "the allis chalmers story"
Also what about the fenders on the tractor in this pic? there really wide.... where do I find some of those......
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:25pm |
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You'll need the tall air intake too.I don't know what years the War B was built but probably was from 41 or 42 till 45.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 29 Oct 2011 at 9:27pm
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:30pm |
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Also what did they run for exhaust? appears to be about a 8in straight pipe.....
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:36pm |
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The long pipe you see in the picture is the air intake. The B's had an under hood muffler that only sticks up a couple inches.The dark part at the bottom of the tall pipe is the exhaust, it is just in direct line with the air intake.
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 29 Oct 2011 at 9:38pm
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:44pm |
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The fenders had "tops" to cover the wheels on the steel wheeled B's.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:45pm |
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Steel wartime B's were from Serial # 58401-65501. 1942 and 1943.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:50pm |
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sweet info, where u get the serial # info for them from?
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Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:54pm |
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I always use the Allis Chalmers Data Book by Terry Dean, it's pocket size and full of info on AC tractors from 1914 - 1963.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:42am |
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Deans handbook is out of print and out of site. I wish I would have bought a case of them when they were 12 bucks. I have slap worn mine out. Finding one for sale at that sticker price is almost impossible.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:51am |
Take the steel seat and handbrakes off your list and add the thick 4 notch wheel centers. They needed them for the extra rear weight because liquid ballast works only with rubber tires
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:55am |
Here is a copy from Jim at OKTractor. On Amazon you find crazy prices into the hundreds of dollars. I have 5 or 6 copies of this book so I can have one in every vehicle, in the shop and next to the computer, best book I ever bought, look up stuff almost every day.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:03am |
Heavy centers, heard of them? anyone got a pic of them, or any noticable difference? can u still bold weights to them?
why eliminate hand brakes ond steel seat?
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:04am |
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thanks for the link man, going to go buy me one right now!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:06am |
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In 1941 the B's came out with foot brakes, no more hand brakes after that.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:08am |
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Finding a new Dean Data Book for under $50 is good. Jim has a family to raise and a house to keep warm.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:10am |
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Don't forget that the war B had the fairbanks morse FMJ4B3 magneto. Also, wasn't there a Babcock T stat housing on some of the early B's.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:10am |
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ok, sweet info.... so putting foot brakes on a 38 wouldnt be politcally correct to the year?
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:14am |
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The standard B seat is a Canvas Covered bench type seat cushion that fits fender to fender.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:14am |
where would u find that part # on the mag? does it look any different? Also were all B's sapose to have under hood muffler? where can you find those? were C's the same way?
Which style carb do you guys think is correct for war time?
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:15am |
This is what heavy centers look like for a C or B with 5 bolt centers. The ones for B's with a spline look the same except for the center. They have 4 notches around the outside instead of 2.
Edited by MNLonnie - 30 Oct 2011 at 9:23am
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:15am |
so was the steel seat an upgrade????
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:22am |
They started with straight pipes on the B's, then went to underhood mufflers until about 1949 if I remember correctly.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:29am |
RockyBottom
When you order the Data Book from Jim ask him if he will also sell you a Jensales Parts Mannual for B,IB,&C tractors. He usually has them in stock. This is where most of us find the in black and white information for a lot of your B C questions.
And yes, the Monrow seat was a upgrade.
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Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:36am |
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Pan seats were after market on all B's and C's. Bench seat was factory.
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Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 8:13am |
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Any other ideas?
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Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 7:45pm |
There are a lot more special parts on the War B than have been mentioned here. The heavy 4-knotch steel wheel centers for the B are flat and splined, the C centers are dished and 5 lug. I have a set of steel wheel C centers for sale and a War B that could be bought. The War B is complete with all the special parts including steel wheels for all 4 corners. bjhopwood@hughes.net
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Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 4:46pm |
so i went to a different tractor junk yard today, what a good time!!!! best of all hiding in a shed full of parts is 3 cast oil pans and 2 cast valve covers, what you guys think there worth? I will probably go back monday and get them. but couldnt find any other war time items, would really really like a tall air cleaner.
tomorrrow afternoon im going to a my usual tractor junk yard to see bring a few parts home.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 5:12pm |
RockyBottomFarm wrote:
So I got this idea to build a B on steel wheels, like a war era. With ideas like fallowing, please let me know what you guys think is or isnt correct.
Steel wheels
cast final drive covers (bull gear cover)
cast valve cover
cast oil pan
hand start
PTO only
Steel seat
hand brakes
What you guys think?
Anyone have an idea on years available? war was 39-45, I would assume several yrs if not all the years of the war.......
here is a simular pic out of "the allis chalmers story"
Also what about the fenders on the tractor in this pic? there really wide.... where do I find some of those......
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Yes the fender were wide on tha model this is the same model sory not a good picture but long air cleaner top and wide fenders rare tractor on for sale. cheers John
Edited by q4016lanz - 10 Nov 2011 at 9:19pm
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Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 8:49pm |
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sweet pic!!!!!! are the fenders, air cleaner, or weights for sale? Also whats the adjustable height arm for? i would guess aftermarket belly mower.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 8:54pm |
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The arm is one version of the hand lift mounted plow. I wonder what shipping the weights from Australia would cost? Probably a bit expensive...
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