war time B project Idea
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Topic: war time B project Idea
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Subject: war time B project Idea
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:17pm
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So I got this idea to build a B on steel wheels, like a war era. With ideas like fallowing, please let me know what you guys think is or isnt correct.
Steel wheels
cast final drive covers (bull gear cover)
cast valve cover
cast oil pan
hand start
PTO only
Steel seat
hand brakes
What you guys think?
Anyone have an idea on years available? war was 39-45, I would assume several yrs if not all the years of the war.......
here is a simular pic out of "the allis chalmers story"
Also what about the fenders on the tractor in this pic? there really wide.... where do I find some of those......
 ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:25pm
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You'll need the tall air intake too.I don't know what years the War B was built but probably was from 41 or 42 till 45. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:30pm
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Also what did they run for exhaust? appears to be about a 8in straight pipe..... ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:36pm
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The long pipe you see in the picture is the air intake. The B's had an under hood muffler that only sticks up a couple inches.The dark part at the bottom of the tall pipe is the exhaust, it is just in direct line with the air intake. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: GBACBFan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:44pm
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The fenders had "tops" to cover the wheels on the steel wheeled B's. ------------- "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Mark Twain |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:45pm
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Steel wartime B's were from Serial # 58401-65501. 1942 and 1943. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:50pm
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sweet info, where u get the serial # info for them from? ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 9:54pm
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I always use the Allis Chalmers Data Book by Terry Dean, it's pocket size and full of info on AC tractors from 1914 - 1963. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:42am
| Deans handbook is out of print and out of site. I wish I would have bought a case of them when they were 12 bucks. I have slap worn mine out. Finding one for sale at that sticker price is almost impossible. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:51am
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Take the steel seat and handbrakes off your list and add the thick 4 notch wheel centers. They needed them for the extra rear weight because liquid ballast works only with rubber tires |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 8:55am
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Here is a copy from Jim at OKTractor. On Amazon you find crazy prices into the hundreds of dollars. I have 5 or 6 copies of this book so I can have one in every vehicle, in the shop and next to the computer, best book I ever bought, look up stuff almost every day.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Data-Book-Terry-Dean-/270816682556?pt=BI_Books_Manuals&hash=item3f0deea23c - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Data-Book-Terry-Dean-/270816682556?pt=BI_Books_Manuals&hash=item3f0deea23c ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:03am
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Heavy centers, heard of them? anyone got a pic of them, or any noticable difference? can u still bold weights to them?
why eliminate hand brakes ond steel seat? ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:04am
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thanks for the link man, going to go buy me one right now!!!!!!!!! ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:06am
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In 1941 the B's came out with foot brakes, no more hand brakes after that. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:08am
| Finding a new Dean Data Book for under $50 is good. Jim has a family to raise and a house to keep warm. |
Posted By: orangeman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:10am
| Don't forget that the war B had the fairbanks morse FMJ4B3 magneto. Also, wasn't there a Babcock T stat housing on some of the early B's. |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:10am
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ok, sweet info.... so putting foot brakes on a 38 wouldnt be politcally correct to the year? ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:14am
| The standard B seat is a Canvas Covered bench type seat cushion that fits fender to fender. |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:14am
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where would u find that part # on the mag? does it look any different? Also were all B's sapose to have under hood muffler? where can you find those? were C's the same way?
Which style carb do you guys think is correct for war time? ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:15am
This is what heavy centers look like for a C or B with 5 bolt centers. The ones for B's with a spline look the same except for the center. They have 4 notches around the outside instead of 2.
 ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:15am
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so was the steel seat an upgrade????
------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:22am
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They started with straight pipes on the B's, then went to underhood mufflers until about 1949 if I remember correctly. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:29am
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RockyBottom
When you order the Data Book from Jim ask him if he will also sell you a Jensales Parts Mannual for B,IB,&C tractors. He usually has them in stock. This is where most of us find the in black and white information for a lot of your B C questions.
And yes, the Monrow seat was a upgrade.
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 9:36am
Pan seats were after market on all B's and C's. Bench seat was factory. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
RockyBottomFarm wrote:Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 8:13am
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Any other ideas?
------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: Brad MI
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2011 at 7:45pm
| There are a lot more special parts on the War B than have been mentioned here. The heavy 4-knotch steel wheel centers for the B are flat and splined, the C centers are dished and 5 lug. I have a set of steel wheel C centers for sale and a War B that could be bought. The War B is complete with all the special parts including steel wheels for all 4 corners. mailto:bjhopwood@hughes.net - bjhopwood@hughes.net |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 4:46pm
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so i went to a different tractor junk yard today, what a good time!!!! best of all hiding in a shed full of parts is 3 cast oil pans and 2 cast valve covers, what you guys think there worth? I will probably go back monday and get them. but couldnt find any other war time items, would really really like a tall air cleaner.
tomorrrow afternoon im going to a my usual tractor junk yard to see bring a few parts home. ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: q4016lanz
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 5:12pm
 ------------- 15 allis chalmers tractors 9 lanz bulldog tractors 2 water cooled deutz 9 john deeres tractors 14 Aus made orange chamberlains I spent most of my money on old tractors I wasted the rest |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 8:49pm
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sweet pic!!!!!! are the fenders, air cleaner, or weights for sale? Also whats the adjustable height arm for? i would guess aftermarket belly mower. ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 8:54pm
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The arm is one version of the hand lift mounted plow. I wonder what shipping the weights from Australia would cost? Probably a bit expensive... ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 9:10pm
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YIKES!!!!! holy batman..... didt see that one...... ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 10:26pm
| THE WARTIME B'S ALSO HAD A PLUG THAT FIT THE STARTER HOLE & A PIECE THAT FILLED IN THE TOOL BOX WHERE THE BATTERY BOX IS REMOVED. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 10:47pm
Hehe yep, you're probably better off finding a front weight set somewhere in North America. I need to get out and check out my local junkyard sometime and see what they have. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 11:46pm
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John, you're such a tease mate! LOL! Like that B. Seen it once before on here. Why don't you spiff er up a bit? It would be a wartime model for you guys too. I believe the Japanese attacked Sydney Harbour in May 1942 didn't they? ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: q4016lanz
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 7:00am
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Yes mate we will spiff he up one day thats the plan i seen another one at a aution with wide fenders tall air cleaner 12 mounths ago ------------- 15 allis chalmers tractors 9 lanz bulldog tractors 2 water cooled deutz 9 john deeres tractors 14 Aus made orange chamberlains I spent most of my money on old tractors I wasted the rest |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 1:11pm
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Can't tell from the pic, does yours have the block off plate over the starter hole? ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 2:49pm
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It looks like it has the starter plug but my question is why does it have a non-electric tool box with an electric torque tube? ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |
Posted By: 1946WP
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 4:23pm
| i think they were designed to have a starter, then when the war caused shortages the starter was left off & a plug put in the hole , also the batery box was left off & a small piece was put in place where the box was so stuff didn't fall out of the tool box, thats what my '42 b has. also, i don't know, but maybe they used up some leftover tool boxes from non starter models also. |
Posted By: q4016lanz
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 4:52pm
I fond this in a allis Chalmers book
 ------------- 15 allis chalmers tractors 9 lanz bulldog tractors 2 water cooled deutz 9 john deeres tractors 14 Aus made orange chamberlains I spent most of my money on old tractors I wasted the rest |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2011 at 7:14pm
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Hmm, so that 38 B wouldn't be a wartime model. It has hand brakes and non-electric torque tube. Still has the tall air cleaner, which I think was added to all the ones that shipped from the factory or as dealer add-ons with steel wheels. Think someone said it was because of the extra dust kicked up by the steel. Not sure, seems like rubber would still kick up almost as much dust to me.
------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 2:14pm
What's the deal with that? Any comments from OKTractor? Don't think I could ever buy from OK again.
Bill B ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: Rick of HopeIN
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 6:00pm
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I always thought the tall air cleaner looked neat but was not sure why they offered it. Maybe a leftover from the needs of dust bowl era. I have heard that steel wheels had generally poor traction so you had to wait for dry condtions for field work also. If it was and added cost they may have dropped the option over time due to lack of interest. Probably was easily caught by branches. ------------- 1951 B, 1937 WC, 1957 D14, -- Thanks and God Bless |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 7:05pm
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As far as steel wheels and traction I do know for sure that you can bury yourself faster with steel than with rubber. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D15, 615 backhoe, 2-Oliver OC3's, 4 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, AV8 Coupe, AV8 Roadster, 1933 Ford Wrecker |