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    Posted: 16 Oct 2011 at 8:19pm
I am looking at buying a new trailer.  Bumper pull, 12k or 14k, deckover with beavertail.  Will use it for hauling tractors, bales, farm stuff.  Not a lot of miles a year.  Current trailer is HD, but no brakes.  Gets a little dangerous fully loaded with bales behind a F150.  Any brands to avoid, or what are good ones.  Most local is Big-O's, seem a little spendy.  I've looked at PJ's, they seem like a good value.  What should I look for, axle wise.
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12,000 to 14,000 pound trailer BUMPER hitch on an F150???????
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I like the PJs, the Big Tex Mexs are real spendy, but the quality is good, I don't know about it being better than anyone elses.  I would amek sure you go with the 7K axles, and brakes, as you said.  On trailers like these the biggest thing is going to be lighting, and the quality of the lights, and the protection of the wire.  If the manufacture simply drills/cuts holes in the frame and threads wire through to the lights, I would shy away, the really good ones run it in conduit or some other means of protection, look at the connectors are they heat shrink glue style or simple crimps, are the lights the newer sealed LED or the old bulb.  Those are going to be your maintenance items.  Also look for ease of greesing the hubs, I have seen, rare but seem some 7K axles in oil bath style, but probably hard to come by, but that would really be the ticket.  Otherwise zerks in the ends of the caps make if nice.
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I'm with the good Dr on 12K to 14K bumper hitch on an F150. Not a smart idea. You need to be looking at goosenecks...
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i have a kaughman trailer  ist 14000 gvw 20ft deck and 4ft beavertail i have hauled my 7045 ac at 14500 lbs i kno way over weight but ut handeled it great its a gooseneck tho i dont like how bumper trailers pull
 
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I have a 25+5 Cornpro and a 21+6 Cornpro Tiltbed. THey are both great trailers and the tiltbed would be a good hay hauler but is limited as a tractor hauler because you can only load one at a time. The 25+5 has the convertible beaver tail so you could have the best of both worlds. CornPro has a web site where you can check their offerings.


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Have you considered just replacing the axles on your current trailer?  For a grand or less you could find some good axles with brakes and newer tires.
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I have a Moritz 14K that has 22ft of deck.....it is the best trailer I've ever owned.
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All this with a 150 ?.....sounds like an accident looking for a place to happen !!
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Yes, behind a 150. Big loads I will put the 250 or 350 on it, but my main vehicle is a 2004 F150. It has a higher towing rating than my old 92 250 Dodge w the cummins. I don't want to own a 10k trailer and a bigger trailer. Most loads will be from field to farm. Would like a nice reliable trailer for heading to auctions. I checked into new axles, but the hitch needs to be redone and its starting to rust, could use new planking. Would like a new or nearly new one
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i have an H&H car hauler. i've only used it to haul materials, so i'm wishing i would have bought the deckover w/ 7k axles. it's been a good trailer. very sturdy jack, wires ran in conduit, boxed framing, lifetime warranty on the treated deck. i know they make a light and heavy duty version of the deckover. they're also out of iowa, so depending on how far you are from the plant, i guess that'll affect price.
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dunno...if i've ever seen...a deck over bumper pull!
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Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

I'm with the good Dr on 12K to 14K bumper hitch on an F150. Not a smart idea. You need to be looking at goosenecks...
I agree 100%.  I put 13k on a bumper pull and 3/4 ton 02 dodge but I only had to go about a mile.  No way I would have pulled it any further.
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 CORN PRO,  My gooseneck is 1998 with no problems at all only a burn't out light or two and regular service. 
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I have 2 PJ's one car hauler 7k and a gooseneck at 14k -- like em both
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i can build you a trailer any way you want it, built about 15 in last 10 years,any axel or brakes type,
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PJ....I have a 20' deck over bumber pull 14,000 lb and pull with 2004 F150 4x4 super crew 5.4L and haul 3 pallets of fertizler with no problems, have 1,000 lb torshion bars and sway control.
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I do see alot of these in my area, Personally I would use a weight distributing hitch if it were pulled behind a 1/2 ton truck. These can put alot of weight on the hitch. Keep in mind these were designed as tag trailers behind dump trucks. A friend of mine has one and it makes his F-350 squatt with his skidloader on it.

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I have an "F" neck Moritz tandem dual and love it.  No problems other than a light bulb or dirty plug (my fault).  The nice thing about the "F" neck is it lays forward and gives you alot more room on the deck for loading.  You can back a tractor right to the front of the trailer and the tires and neck do not get in each others way.  I personally think the Moritz and the Corn Pro are the best out there and ther are ALOT of them both in our area
 
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I have a Moritz F series gooseneck too. I have been very happy with it. Mine is a 20ft deck with 5 ft dovetail that will lift up flat with the deck. Only problem with it is I wish I had bought heavier axles. Mine is 14500 gvw and I find that I am at or over the trailers capacity on almost every load I haul, the trailer has never gave me any trouble hauling but my next trailer will be heavier duty.
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I got a PJ 102" x 22' bumper 14K lb tilt deckover w/ winch for my 96 2500 Ram. No problems but I dont load it very heavy - Most I ever loaded was an all-crop 3500 lbs or so.  Love it.

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Saw a b and b from somewhere in iowa, at an event this summer looked like a nice trailer, anybody know anything about them?

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You really need to look onto the trailer you are thinking of buying and pull it around the block/section a coupla times. I have a pintle adapter for a Reese hitch and my son hooked onto my 14K GVW trailer empty with a Ford 3/4 ton. It jerked it around real bad and he decided it was to much for him to use. However you can put two 7K axles under a much lighter trailer which could make a good match.
 
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I have a bumper hitch tandem axle deckover wtih beaver tail.  Has two 14,000 axles with brakes.  Trailer weighs 3,700 pounds empty, so leaves ~10,000 pounds for payload.  I've had it loaded up to close to capacity with a couple of tractors, and it pulls fine behind my 2002 F250 diesel.  Had to buy a 15,000 pound rated receiver (stock Ford unit was only rated for 6,000 pounds!) and appropriate hitch and ball.  This also puts me at the 20,000 GCVW rating for the truck (truck weighs around 7,000 pounds).
I'd be concerned that the correct amount of tongue weight would mash your F150 flat with such a heavy trailer.  Lightening it up to not mash the truck would risk getting trailer-whipped.  I've never had it happen, but a co-worker did when pulling a trailer load of 2x4s with a Ford Ranger.  Trying to stop going downhill around a slight curve pushed the rear axle sideways, and folded things up from there.
 
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the B and B are made 1.5 miles from my house they are a good trailer and have good reputatuion
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Originally posted by Brad(WI) Brad(WI) wrote:

Yes, behind a 150. Big loads I will put the 250 or 350 on it, but my main vehicle is a 2004 F150. It has a higher towing rating than my old 92 250 Dodge w the cummins. I don't want to own a 10k trailer and a bigger trailer. Most loads will be from field to farm. Would like a nice reliable trailer for heading to auctions. I checked into new axles, but the hitch needs to be redone and its starting to rust, could use new planking. Would like a new or nearly new one
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There is no way an F150 can have a higher tow rating than a 1992 D250 Diesel. I have a 1992 D250 diesel and it can pull a 14000 lb load with ease. The F150 rear end will fail with that kind of load. There is a reason they did not make gooseneck hitches for the F150.
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We are on our third Cornpro Gooseneck and would not own another current one is a 30+5 with 2 12K Axles.  We also have a Moritz 21' Hydraulic Tilt Bumper Pull, I get along great with both of them and would have no problem taking either of them any where.
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I have had both, and according to the label on the door, my F150 is rated higher. There is a big difference between 4 wheel disk brakes (ford) and rear drums (old dodge). My truck has more pulling power with a load, I have owned both. My concern isn't about pulling a heavy load, it can do that with ease. I'm worried about stopping that load. I don't want to turn this into a brand war, its simply old design vs newer stuff. They do make a gooseneck ball for a F150 too, as an employee has one and my neighbor is getting one. He's switching to a new f150 from 2 year old F350 diesel. He doesn't use the diesel enough to justify it. The loads he pulls (14k cornpro gooseneck) the 150 will handle.

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I find myself in the same position as brad, I pull a 20 ft flatbed with a chev 1500 sometimes. At first that was all I had  then I got a 3500 dually, always kept good tires and brakes on the 1500 and knew my limitations, the 3500 I haven't touched the brakes since I bought it used and I would say the 1500 stops better. One thing that helps when pulling with alighter truck is somekind of helper springs to keep the truck level and not put the nose in the air. A heavier longer wheelbase  truck is always going to feel safer. 
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