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    Posted: 17 May 2024 at 6:21pm
Hello,
My D15 Series II was running just fine. Went to restart and a clanking noise came from front of tractor so I shut her down. Now it will not start. Dropped the oil pan and crank and all look good. Can’t get the crank shaft to move. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Chugach
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Since you already have the oil pan off, the next step is to determine if the trouble is in the piston/cylinder area or elsewhere.

Pull the rod caps off one at a time and see if you can move the piston upward. If they all move, then it is probably in the cam gear/governor gear area. That is the most likely from your description of the noise, but you do have the pan off so...
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governor failed... pull it out.
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did you pull the starter and make sure it isnt broke
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Originally posted by HudCo HudCo wrote:

did you pull the starter and make sure it isnt broke

This. Occasionally the starter on my D14 loosens the pinch bolt and it will turn ever so slightly. Go the start it. Acts like it’s locked up tight. Turn the starter. Fires right up.
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Originally posted by Chugach Chugach wrote:

... Dropped the oil pan and crank and all look good. Can’t get the crank shaft to move...

Unless the starter is jammed into the flywheel I don't think it would create the above symptom.
Steve's suggestion of governor failure is most likely the culprit
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When I bought my D 15 the seller said the engine was locked up
He had the oil pan off. Favorite son and I were able to bar the engine over at the flywheel
Starter had it locked up. Just saying
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Starter and Governor a both good ideas... Do the easy one first ?
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re: tried to restart-clunk-jammed
my monies on....
Starter.... 
disconnect battery, remove 1 bolt, remove starter
put long screwdriver in bellhousing, test turn the ringgear.....
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Originally posted by Les Kerf Les Kerf wrote:

Originally posted by Chugach Chugach wrote:

... Dropped the oil pan and crank and all look good. Can’t get the crank shaft to move...

Unless the starter is jammed into the flywheel...

Three very experienced posters have stated that this can indeed happen on this engine
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Edited by Les Kerf - 18 May 2024 at 10:23am
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Put it in high gear and rock it backwards. might unstick a stuck starter... If that doesn't do it take the starter out and see if the engine will turn one way or another.
 Maybe dropped a valve?
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Thanks Les
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Thanks everyone! I have taken the starter out and bench tested and that is working fine. I am heading towards the timing gear cover. A lot of old oil on front of engine. I will try the other suggestions. I appreciate the help because I am not much of a mechanic.
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remove the starter and it is FINE...I assume you tested,  but try to rotate the engine ?  STUCK starter can still be a good starter...
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Thanks Steve. I will pull the plugs and try to turn the crankshaft
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Removed the rod caps and all pistons move. Tried to move the flywheel through starter hole and failed. Back to removing the timing gear cover, do I really need to do a front split and move the front assembly away from the tractor? Thanks again, Chugach.
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I would start on the distributor end...
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Just curious (and probably stating the obvious), but does it still not turn over with the (foot) clutch depressed?
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Yes
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Thanks for the link Steve!
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All is well with the distributor side, I had high hopes
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DANG... i was hoping you would see a broken weight or pin !
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Governor goes out the front, not the rear.
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yes... guess im getting ahead of myself.. need to read closer..
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Bearing seems a little wonky
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Is this just my eyes or is something missing?
In the red circle?
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Here is the cover
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Nothing there that has "locked" up the engine. Is there a loader on this tractor with a front hydraulic pump??? Do the fan blades turn when you push/pull on them ??
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Did something find its way into a gear. Cam,crank,governor 
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