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    Posted: 06 May 2024 at 9:11pm
Would anyone happen to know what size u joint I would need for the top driveshaft? Figured I'd ask before I take it apart. Thanks
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If you can post measurements and a photo of the joint, I can probably tell you from my books.
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Ok

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Ok I'll send you a picture tomorrow. My phone is not working. Bad service
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I've tried posting a picture but my phone isn't letting me
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picture is not going to help... u-joints are specked by the bearing cap OD and the WIDTH from one edge of the cap to the other.... ... Probalby 20 different sizes or more... get those numbers and you can cross reference.
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Ok I'll take it out and do some measuring. Thanks
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I have a new one in a box can give part # tonight if i can remember
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Sounds good! Thank you
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CAL(KS) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2024 at 10:26am
is this the older tl12 or the later with square front and dump cylinders on loader arms?

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Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Later with a d17 motor
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they had d17 motor since 57.  update came about 1960





joint i have would be for loader in top video.  its a 58' i believe and had d17 engine


Edited by CAL(KS) - 08 May 2024 at 11:21am
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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It looks just like thr one in the second video. It's also orange was that a optional color? Or is it supposed to be yellow? Thanks
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CAL(KS) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 May 2024 at 6:06pm
Ok that is the second style TL-12. Mine is first style. Front and rear universal joint I have is 230-0115. May not be the same for you
Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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this is CALS u-joint... early model




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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Mine looks just like that with the caps that bolt over the yoke. I haven't gotten the machine yet that's why I asked if anyone would know what u-joint it would need. I'm getting it this weekend.
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Hi guys-I have a "newer" TL12 with the D17 engine.

The driveshaft between the engine and transmission has been completely cobbled (even the tire has been removed).

What I want to know is whether this driveshaft has a slip joint in it or is it a solid connection?

I have included an image from a TL12 with a 6 cylinder engine showing a solid connection.  My parts book does not show what this looks like with the 4 cylinder engine.

Thanks in advance.




Edited by nowaktj - 27 Jun 2024 at 4:22am
D19D, D17D, WD, WC, Snobee, #83 Plow, SC Blade, 14' disk, 400 series planter, B , Terra Tiger, M Dozer w/Baker Blade, TL-12, 42S Grader, G
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almost EVERY drive shaft has to have a slip joint to make up for minor difference in component installation, or movement of the trans / axle / engine.. Would be hard to build ANYTHING with a solid length shaft unless everything was perfect dimension.
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The t l's have a rubber tire in a drum Adjacent to the engine's flywheel. My question is Whether they have a slip joint when it has the four cylinder engine. 6 cylinder do not.
D19D, D17D, WD, WC, Snobee, #83 Plow, SC Blade, 14' disk, 400 series planter, B , Terra Tiger, M Dozer w/Baker Blade, TL-12, 42S Grader, G
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I am curious why they went to this design, on the group 3 Loaders (the redesign in 1960).  The earlier group 2 loaders were coupled directly to the converter shaft with a splined collar bolted to the crankshaft and flywheel.  It seems counter intuitive to add this driven tire, (which has shown to wear out vs the direct drive) and universal joint shaft which was necessitated by moving the converter away from the engine adding another wear item.

Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20

Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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When someone shifted from forward to reverse in a split second must shock the whole drivetrain system.  I wonder if the splined driveshaft wasn't living?  
D19D, D17D, WD, WC, Snobee, #83 Plow, SC Blade, 14' disk, 400 series planter, B , Terra Tiger, M Dozer w/Baker Blade, TL-12, 42S Grader, G
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possibly but it goes through a converter so not much shock transferred.  the original coupler showed no wear on my machine.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nowaktj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 2024 at 10:21am
Found a manual at the Orange Spectacular and it shows a tube of a driveshaft taking up the extra distance when the 4 cyl D17 engine is installed.




Edited by nowaktj - 30 Jul 2024 at 10:32am
D19D, D17D, WD, WC, Snobee, #83 Plow, SC Blade, 14' disk, 400 series planter, B , Terra Tiger, M Dozer w/Baker Blade, TL-12, 42S Grader, G
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