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captaindana 
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 4:38am |
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We had the pump overhauled on my 200 last fall and put her away for the year. I have fuel dripping from a banjo or two and have replaced those with new steel washers as was done last fall also. I can’t seem to stop the leaks. Can I try copper washers instead? How much should they be torqued? Thanks, DANA
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 7:18am |
NO don't use copper. I would guess you have some bad lines or chips out of head . MACK
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 9:51am |
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Why not Mack? torque is 35ft lb. Good luck getting T/wrench on half of them
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 10:18am |
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I had the same problem on my 200 years ago. I just kept tightening them til I thought they were about to break or twist off and they quit leaking. They must be some dam hard bolts.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 1:32pm |
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Last time I installed pump on 220 I thought I'd try that torque wrench thing on the ones I could get to. Bout crapped down my leg as it kept turning and finally clicked. I'm sure I had never tightened them that tight before with an end wrench.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 8:43pm |
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Why not MACK? I guess you are asking why not copper washers. They are too soft and bolt can screw into bottom of hole and lock head to shaft. I won't even reuse a used washer. If you have to reuse a washer, add a extra washer. MACK
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 9:24pm |
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Why not MACK? I guess you are asking why not copper washers. They are too soft and bolt can screw into bottom of hole and lock head to shaft. I won't even reuse a used washer. If you have to reuse a washer, add a extra washer. MACK |
That was my suspicion .Thanks.
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Posted: 06 Jun 2022 at 10:30pm |
Mack says NOT to use copper washers. I have had better luck with copper washers. Never had one leak. The steel washers are harder to get a good seal (for me). While using copper washers, no bottoming out was experienced on my 180 diesel with Roosa Master injection pump. I only used copper washers on the connections that would not seal.
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Posted: 07 Jun 2022 at 5:22am |
“A banjo will get you through times of no money, but money won't get you through times of no banjo”
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Posted: 07 Jun 2022 at 5:26pm |
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🤩good un Dave!😆
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Posted: 07 Jun 2022 at 6:01pm |
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Alot of times you have to tighten them , loosen them up tighten them again , quiet a design!!!
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Posted: 07 Jun 2022 at 7:18pm |
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I used copper on all mine on my XT. It had copper before and just bought new ones. No leaks after 4 years now.
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Posted: 11 Jun 2022 at 3:30pm |
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OK I know y’all couldn’t sleep since I posted this wondering what the outcome was. Well believe it or not this hayseed got to use the three eights inch torque wrench and to my astonishment they were loose. I took the three easy ones to get to and could not believe how tight that is so I tightened the other three with normal end wrenches and she is good to go. Thanks to all for my lack of expertise on this matter!
Edited by captaindana - 12 Jun 2022 at 4:50am
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Posted: 12 Jun 2022 at 7:52pm |
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I had a similar problem with my 190xt. It was spraying fuel and a drip. It just started last week I think. I happened to see it yesterday. I put a wrench on it and tightened it up and it stopped leaking. I don't see how it loosened up. It was on the bottom so easy to get to and fix. I installed the injection pump about 4 years ago after getting rebuilt so I am the last guy to tighten the nuts. I hate dealing with that one on the backside so glad it wasn't the one leaking. I guess you need to check them every once in awhile.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2022 at 6:06am |
curious... Do these bolts have lockwashers('internal' ) as well as the 'steel sealing washers' ? seems to me there's a wee bit of vibration to deal with hour after hour after hour after......
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Posted: 13 Jun 2022 at 7:07am |
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No lockwashers or any kind of locking. Kind of like head bolts. Just the tightness keeps them from moving.
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