Gleaner Super 7??

No. We don't expect you to just take our word for it. That's why we had farmers and custom harvesters tell you in their own words. No one is slighting AC. In fact, if you watch the video you'll see us give a shout out to the original design. Also, the design is a good one which is why we continue to stick with it.

I don't really understand your argument. You're saying the original design is "remarkable" (and I agree) but then you want to know why we won't change it.


Edited by GS7 - 26 Jul 2010 at 5:34pm

Yes. And some of them are on the team that created the Super 7. Kevin Bien, who is shown in episode 1, is also originally from AC. 

I think there is a common misconception that because there is not a nearby dealer where you farm that there is no nearby dealers where anyone farms. Obviously, this is not true. We have some great dealers in plenty of farming areas. Do we want more? Of course.
I wish we had a dealer near you and perhaps one day we will.

We're not out to convince every Green combine owner to switch to a Gleaner. But we know that there are  people that are not pleased with their Green or Red combine. We're giving them an option and now that option comes with plenty more capacity. Gleaner has always been more akin to a club than a mass following. While I think we'll steadily sell more combines, I don't expect we'll change much from being that club.


Edited by GS7 - 26 Jul 2010 at 6:19pm

Also, there is a certain amount of secrecy to maintain. The dealers, the people that need to know all the ins and outs of this machine, really need to be introduced first. They really should have a head start on the customers so they will have half a chance at answering questions. We will have a good look at the machine at the farm shows, and they (the shows) really aren't all that far off now. I think the marketing department is doing a good job with this. They got our attention, didn't they?

Yes. It will be at the farm shows. You can see photos, watch videos and get links to other discussions at www.gleanersuper7.com

My argument with your video is this, so you have a gleaner man "telling me" it got a great sample and capacity, and in the last video you sent me the heading is its competing with a Deere, I didnt see the deeres sample the deeres grain loss, didnt see the capacity of the 2 running ,just a gleaner custom operator telling me what a great machine the new super 7 is, which may very well be, and I know your trying to keep some of the super seven secrets under wraps, but where is the new and improved upon AC design, more HP and more bin capacity isnt a new design. I use to sell gleaner combines actually sold the very last L3 on the market, back in the day Allis Chlamers had the college of knowledge going when it came to combines, first we were schooled and than our customers came to the field where the L3 the N6 and a JD 7720 and a IH 1660 would run the fields with weigh wagons pass for pass acre for acre loss recorded, buchels weighed over and over again so there were no doubts as to who had the superiour machine, anyone could drive them anyone could adjust them and everyone could see what the difference was, how does your video do anything but tell us the Super 7 is a great machine? Is that operator even a custom owner or a paid employee of agco? does he know  what makes the super 7 great or just telling us what you told him to say? And even after watching it again I cannot see what is new from "agco" that Allis Chlamers had not already done, the balanced machine the straight thru processing, the high capacity to weight, the easier hauling, the accellerator rolls, all that is explained in the AC brochures from the original N5 . Why isnt the combine up at PAMI for the independent testing, and if your going to  compete on capacity why dont you guys get away from rating a class of combine on hp and grain tank size, and if your going to run against the biggest hog on the market it better be able to go toe to toe with the New Holland 9090 in MPH,TPH, and MOG, than we have a basis to go by. I dont sell combines any more I buy them, and I have had a belly full of marketing mens BS there product into my yard, only to find out its half the product they claimed. I started with a Gleaner L2 sold that and bought a John Deere, one because Duetz had destroyed Gleaners market, and 2 I was sold a bill of goods on the John Deere, not once but 4 times, than bought a New Holland, which we ran to 11,000 hrs it was time to trade or upgrade so I looked back at the Gleaner R72, which was a re cabbed N7, with a Cummins engine, so I bought another New Holland, with no regrets I might ad, even though I bleed Allis Chalmers orange, but Agco isnt Allis Chlamers, and the N7 was a great machine but its dated, not the concept the total design. New Holland knows the Twin Rotors work, but they knew the combine needed a new life the twin rotor remained but the shell changed greatly, thats what the super 7 needs, not black paint, not a bigger bin, not a bigger engine, and a black paint job and decals, thats John Deeres game and its hard for anyone else to play it.

KCgrain  I am with you on the new combine. I have ran Gleaner ,since riding in an AII with dad to starting in an F , L,L2,R60,R62,R72,R75 and now an A85. They have taken my Orange tractor,traded the Dt220A for a 8245R Deere,its a nice tractor. Its just a matter of time till the Gleaner is gone. If they dont redesign the outside of the combine they are waisting there time. That outside is dated, and looks sells. Everything from the big 3 will perform in the field. But looks  mean something in todays market ,unlike 20 years ago when the R72 came out. I bleed orange and silver,but I think those days are over.

We have received the same commitment from our management as you have. AGCO is committed to the Gleaner Combine. They have invested money in the development of a new product and are releasing that product.

There's one thing I don't get. Here's a new machine that preserves what is great about the Gleaner Combine, is part of an effort that is led and developed by AC people, even replaces the cab emblem with the original 1923 Gleaner logo- yet you are the first people to shoot it down sight unseen. No. you don't know the changes we've made. Unlike a lot of people, you have not seen the machine run for yourselves. And when we show operators and let them give their impressions, you suggest they are paid? Really?

You bleed silver? So do we. And we're out here trying to bring silver back to the glory it deserves. What exactly are you doing?

I'm all for talking to people that are interested in what this new machine can do. That's not what is going on here. What is going on here is a lot of prejudging and complaining.
We have an awesome new machine but it's not for everyone. I am not here to convince those that cannot be convinced.

The customer is not always right, particularly when they use such a notion to abuse good people. I've kicked people out of the store and I'll question every lie and rumor. I'm proud of this product, it's designers and the brand and I'll defend it against anyone even if they claim to love it.

You want to support Gleaner? Have an open mind and at least a shred of patience. Go to a farm show and see it run. Don't claim that people on the video are paid endorsers (they're not).

I'm not asking you to fly a Gleaner flag in your front yard but could you at least not be the first one to set it on fire especially since you have not even seen the new combine?

GS7 wrote: I'm all for talking to people that are interested in what this new machine can do. That's not what is going on here. What is going on here is a lot of prejudging and complaining. We have an awesome new machine but it's not for everyone. I am not here to convince those that cannot be convinced. The customer is not always right, particularly when they use such a notion to abuse good people. I've kicked people out of the store and I'll question every lie and rumor. I'm proud of this product, it's designers and the brand and I'll defend it against anyone even if they claim to love it. You want to support Gleaner? Have an open mind and at least a shred of patience. Go to a farm show and see it run. Don't claim that people on the video are paid endorsers (they're not). I'm not asking you to fly a Gleaner flag in your front yard but could you at least not be the first one to set it on fire especially since you have not even seen the new combine?

GS7 wrote: You're right. I'm preaching to the wrong crowd here. You don't want to hear wonderful things happening with new products. Nothing we can do will undo your skepticism. I wish we had your support regardless if you ever plan on buying another combine. The Gleaner team values it's loyal even when the feeling is not reciprocated. Your point is clear. Sorry it couldn't be different.

If I were your boss, I'd fire you right after reading that comment.

Why? Because you're a quitter.

The only thing you have going for any new machinery here is brand loyalty. That's something YOU earn over time. Damage that loyalty and it can be repaired - but LOTS of time to do it.

Crops get brought in because of persistence and tenacity. Crops get sold because of market demand.

In a world of manufacturing where one product gets sprayed 7 different colors and the decals are switched out - who's kidding who?

On second thought, I wouldn't fire you - I'd give you a pay raise - you perfectly fit the Agco corporate philosophy: Quick to kiss, quick to jump in the back seat, and even quicker to jump out when the guy with a fancier car drives by and smiles at ya.


pffft

GS7..been watching these conversations .. i wont be buying a new combine anytime soon .. but i will say one thing . i do believe the customer is always right ..( even when they are wrong )

I am just as upset about losing the orange AGCO tractor line as anyone is. In fact, I am furious about it, BUT, GS7 didn't do that to us. I personally am excited to see the development of the Super 7 machine, as soon as it turns red and has a Massey decal on it I will be done with them, and it won't be as easy to sell me Gleaner equipment as it once was, but, I am not going to write them off just yet.

Hey Gs7! I'am with you, though I will not be in a situation to buy a Gleaner, I am wishing you the best of luck. I am anxious to hear more about this Machine.

about my only hope to ever afford a new combine is if I win the lottery, and if I do, it'll be a gleaner. Hang in there GS7!!!