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victoryallis 
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 7:12pm |
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Put gas in my D17 fall of 2019 don’t use it much so a 2.5 gallon can lasts awhile as long as remember to turn the gas off. I start the tractor 4-5 times a year to move it. Doesn’t get 15 minutes a year run time. In the process of converting my storage shed to a shop so I’ve ran it some more shuffling stuff around. She’s running like a top with gas containing ethanol. Proof a clean fuel system doesn’t need ethanol free gas.
Edited by victoryallis - 14 Jul 2021 at 7:14pm
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Ed (Ont)
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:01pm |
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I run regular gas in everything I own including chainsaws. No problems.
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SLee(IA)
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:01pm |
I'm with you Victory. Our WD45 was bought new in 1953 by my dad. Don't use it much now. Run an auger once in a while or move a wagon. Been running E10 since it became available 30+ years ago. Starts with a touch of the starter and runs great. Steve
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:04pm |
Seems like it's the guys that run STIHL equipment that have issues 
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john(MI)
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 8:38pm |
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I don't have any problems with it, not even in my Stihl chainsaww.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 9:24pm |
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Still saw, tree trimmer. 24 HP B&S mower, couple B tractors, 2 cars, Pickup .... all no problems.
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 10:45pm |
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Just up the street from my son’s house, A Murphy Oil gas station will soon open, the sign say’s ‘ethanol free gas available’.
Hope it will be the 87 octane variety, don’t want to pay more for the higher octane grades.
Some Walmart’s also have ethanol free gas, but not any that I know of in the Midland/Odessa area.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 5:47am |
Same here. Pulled the carb apart on my 25 year old rebuilt WC. Inside looked like the day I put it together and had E10 in it 100% of those 25 years. AaronSEIA
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 6:35am |
When I used to cut hay with a D10 on a hot day after running it for about 30minutes it would start to run poorly,take the hood off and it would be fine apparently the alcohol in the gas was causing vapor lock.Went back to 100% gas solved the problem. I leave the side panels off my Oliver 1550 gas so the heat of the motor isn't heating the gas tank.About the only people I know that claim to like Ethanol are those financially
benefiting from growing corn.Ironically the largest seller off non ethanol gasoline in my area is a farmers coop.
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Allis dave
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 7:05am |
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Many of those Oliver's vapor locked years before Ethonol was in the gas. Why are so many of them missing the side shields now?? Ford's did too.
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 7:31am |
 Allis dave wrote:
Many of those Oliver's vapor locked years before Ethonol was in the gas. Why are so many of them missing the side shields now?? Ford's did too. |
Well mine runs fine on non ethanol gas not so fine on ethanol contaminated gas.You're probably referring to the old 66-88 models with the fully enclosed engines.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 10:13am |
victoryallis wrote:
Put gas in my D17 fall of 2019 don’t use it much so a 2.5 gallon can lasts awhile as long as remember to turn the gas off. I start the tractor 4-5 times a year to move it. Doesn’t get 15 minutes a year run time. In the process of converting my storage shed to a shop so I’ve ran it some more shuffling stuff around. She’s running like a top with gas containing ethanol. Proof a clean fuel system doesn’t need ethanol free gas. |
You should consider yourself lucky. I have seen time after time in my repair business where the ethinol itself breaks down into a slime and cloggs up the carburetor jets and passages where the fuel system would otherwise be clean.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 10:18am |
Yeah victory, but you don't live where it's humid and you get temperature swings! Hahahahaha
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 10:47am |
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It's like the BioDiesel, don't let it sit in our humid climate. BioDiesel goes sour like a jug of milk, so starting it on occasion may help, but you have to use it up, if the fuel sitting in the tank is a year old, it's going to be sour if it is a high content of bio. I am no chemist, but the pumps coming in gummed up seized and won't run is happening more and more. DO NOT RUN BIODIESEL IN A TRACTOR THAT SITS A LOT! Us fuel pump rebuild shops can't keep up as it is lol! Some say it's good for business, but it's not the good kind of business.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 4:23pm |
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When i saw this post I thought, What the Hell? It was posted to spark a fire, hence the juvenile name calling, “because you don’t believe what I believe.” It was not posted to convince anyone of anything, just separate “believers,” and “nonbelievers.”
There’s enough of that crap happening in today’s world, move on.
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victoryallis
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 4:36pm |
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The anti bio fuel folks blow my mind. Why would you be against something uses commodities and in turn helps prices because you can’t maintain your system. Every bushel that gets consumed is a good thing.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 5:34pm |
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 6:15pm |
I remember as a young lad, taking apart carbs for stuck needle, plugged jets and corrosion. That was the '60's, "pure gas" era. I remember oil companies advertising that their gas is cleaner. The "we're the rocker arm assembly, assembly, and we don't like dirt" Mobile jingle is still in my head. That was an ad for their detergent gasoline, a little bit of a stretch to claim it will make your rocker arm valve assembly happy. It is on YouTube.
I think when the ethanol first came out, it loosened up a lot of gunk and caused problems. And maybe some fuel system materials were not resistant to the ethanol. They hated it at the marinas. As they charged big bucks to do fuel tank/system clean-outs.
Today, I don't have many problems, but I only have 12 gas powered things. But if I were to ask the local small engine mechanic how the ethanol is effecting the engines he would tell you about the junk gas and show me carbs all messed up. Which to me is just like 1969, in my experience.
It could be the early users of E10 were near the corn growing areas, and the farmers had to be happy with a new market for their corn. But when they banned the MTBE additive, ethanol became the substitute, so it went nationwide. So perhaps more scrutiny.
Yeah, I would be interested to read a Dave Kamp original White Paper on the matter.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 6:54pm |
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So a thought, we don,t let it sit long since it is a production application . we mine gypsum 600 ft below the surface,,, all the mining equipment runs on bio diesel,,, we had to change fuel lines,,,, thousands of gallons per month..
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 7:29pm |
BrianC wrote:
I remember as a young lad, taking apart carbs for stuck needle, plugged jets and corrosion. That was the '60's, "pure gas" era. I remember oil companies advertising that their gas is cleaner. The "we're the rocker arm assembly, assembly, and we don't like dirt" Mobile jingle is still in my head. That was an ad for their detergent gasoline, a little bit of a stretch to claim it will make your rocker arm valve assembly happy. It is on YouTube.
I think when the ethanol first came out, it loosened up a lot of gunk and caused problems. And maybe some fuel system materials were not resistant to the ethanol. They hated it at the marinas. As they charged big bucks to do fuel tank/system clean-outs.
Today, I don't have many problems, but I only have 12 gas powered things. But if I were to ask the local small engine mechanic how the ethanol is effecting the engines he would tell you about the junk gas and show me carbs all messed up. Which to me is just like 1969, in my experience.
It could be the early users of E10 were near the corn growing areas, and the farmers had to be happy with a new market for their corn. But when they banned the MTBE additive, ethanol became the substitute, so it went nationwide. So perhaps more scrutiny.
Yeah, I would be interested to read a Dave Kamp original White Paper on the matter.
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I’ll summarize Ethanol voraciously absorbs water. There’s less energy per volume. Ethanol attacks materials used in fuel systems.
Edited by Tbone95 - 15 Jul 2021 at 7:30pm
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Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 8:22pm |
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In a few years it will be a moot point, when all gas engines are banned, and only electric powered is allowed. That should make for interesting conversation.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 5:27am |
I can see it now, next big crisis, those electric powered things emit ozone gas, which is bad and we should tax it extra somehow...
Maybe the bio parts of bio-diesel would be best used as bio-heating fuel. Simple.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 6:15am |
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Everybody can do what they feel works best for them. I run 10% ethanol gasoline in ours cars, but in my small engines like garden tiller, zero turn mower, generator, pressure washer, and all 2 cycle engines I run straight gasoline. For the last fifteen or sixteen years I have not had an small engine in the shop for a not starting problem. Using straight gas seems to work for me, I in a high humidity region ( someone mentioned humidity) and don’t know if that plays a factor or not. All my small engines equipment is twenty years old or newer and maybe the design of the fuel system is better now than years ago now. But I of the school of thought “ if isn’t broken, don’t fix it”.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 6:52am |
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I'm waiting for the all electric conversion kit for my WD-45.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 7:22am |
victoryallis wrote:
JW
The anti bio fuel folks blow my mind. Why would you be against something uses commodities and in turn helps prices because you can’t maintain your system. Every bushel that gets consumed is a good thing. |
If my box of Corn Flakes is .50 cents higher because of a the corn diverted to fuel, how does that help me? Regardless of the issues that some people have using ethanol fuels, the industry itself is a massive government boondoggle. Yes, this does delve into politics, as most agriculture policies are political.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 8:48am |
Lars(wi) wrote:
If my box of Corn Flakes is .50 cents higher because of a the corn diverted to fuel, how does that help me?
Regardless of the issues that some people have using ethanol fuels, the industry itself is a massive government boondoggle. Yes, this does delve into politics, as most agriculture policies are political. |
ROFLMAO!
High oil prices are causing significant increases in the largest
costs of food production — processing, packing and shipping each food
product to market. In fact, the value of corn is just a
tiny fraction of a product’s cost. And only a small segment of the food
market relies on corn as an input.
“A 14-ounce box of corn flakes costs about $2.97 to $3.50. “When corn
is $2 per bushel, a box of corn flakes includes about 2.2 cents worth
of corn. At $4 a bushel, the amount of corn in that cereal costs about
4.4 cents. If you took out the ethanol factor completely, food would
still cost more.” https://www.farmprogress.com/corn-prices-have-little-do-food-price-increases
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 16 Jul 2021 at 8:53am
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 12:46pm |
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Of biodiesel production,what percent is made from commodities which would help support (supposedly) farm prices? I'd bet it's less than you are led to believe.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 3:34pm |
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I live about 1 hour from a large biodiesel plant. They pay a higher basis than all the other elevators around. Nearly all of my family's soybean's go there. Even a lot of smaller elevators haul in there. The volume of soybeans that run through that place is amazing. 3 dumps accepting beans 24 hours a day year round with a line 24 hours a day in the fall.
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 3:43pm |
I was told decades ago that the maker of the cardboard cereal box gets more than the farmer for his corn.....probably still true ??
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