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Had not looked at Dodge since they announced the Mercedes engine crap last year, I am behind times.  Still do not like the Stiff Leg frames they put under them, that was tried in HD Trucks DECADES ago with not so good results.  Rigid Breaks flexible survives.
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I don't know how high your truck is lifted but,, I put an Anderson gooseneck adapter hitch on our camper ,those you can squeeze some height out of them, I am going to put a flatbed on mine , had one before and they make life a heck of a lot easier for an old guy that would solve your clearance problem as well
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right now Tom, on my GM 3500, with the fifth wheel sitting level the top of the box will hit the nose of the trailer, even if it did hook up if i hit a dip there would be damage. i had thought about putting my flatbed on that truck, but with the height of the hitch it would make the trailer pull nose up on the road. 
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I have 3500 ram with a 9’ bed, has a 6” drop channel through center to level the load. This is a picture but don’t think trailer is down on the hitch. If going to pull a trailer, I wouldn’t go back to a single wheel axle.
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I wanted to also say that I get way more use of the flat bed than I ever did in the pickup bed. Just my thoughts
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This is at that point where the DOT regs start sneaking in.  By the time you get a Dually that is heavy enough to tow and handle what are thinking on, and then a trailer behind the GVWR starts sliding to that magic number where DOT regs apply under a weight tag.

GCWR becomes that Elephant in the room wearing a Brown Uniform and a Ticket Book that is NOT for fun and games.




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17 states have adopted CDL requirements for RVs under these very requirements.

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Shameless, I'd go with the flatbed with the anderson gooseneck adapter, that way you'll have plenty of clearance and the option of adjusting for any height you need. I went to Stillwater MFG to spec out a flatbed for my dually.. they did tell me I couldn't go over 8 foot long or I'd be having some turning issues with our brookside camper, the gooseneck is a little longer so not an issue . I like the gooseneck hitch because you don't have all the 5th wheel hitch parts in the bed & in the way.
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i agree Tom, i'll be changing the flatbed over if i get the truck. if i'd have known how handi them flatbeds were, i'd have had them years ago! sure is nice to reach for something and not have to reach over and down to get anything. a added a 6 inch side board to my flatbed just for an edge, can still reach or set anything easily onto the bed without any problems. if my flatbed won't fit, i'll buy one that will. 
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Ford's rates:

GMs:


The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR.  They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere.
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Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Ford's rates:

GMs:


The Fine line is 25,999/26,000 GCWR.  They do NOT care if you are a Private/Not For Hire owner these days.
That's going to get interesting. The CDL came about because of so many states making unique laws that made it very difficult to travel state to state and still be legal. So if I pull my 5th wheel from Iowa with no restrictions to Wisconsin where they require a CDL over 40', the question becomes can they legally enforce that. In the commercial regs, cross a state line and federal trumps state. Legal in your home state, legal everywhere.

Problem is Fed does trump State and they are using the Fed weight category as that Trump Card.  The 17 States that do not honor RV as a specified license fall back to that fact as neither does the Fed, the weight is NOT specific to Commercial trucks it presents the category for Commercial License to operate and the RVs fall into said categories.  Air Brakes are part of that.  Having a Electric Brake controller and working trailer brakes with a ADEQUATE Breakaway Kit and battery in it as required is part of it.  Know of several tickets just for failure to maintain those.

This is NOT going to get any easier nor any slacker as the accidents continue to mount and the idiots using too light of tow vehicles for said purposes to escape the license requirement are not faring well in the game.  The haulers finally get enough trouble with too light equipment and buy into the Full Ton Diesels or ton and a quarter chassis then step across a Magic Line, KATY Bar the Door as that opens the path to free access.


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https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/383

Question 9.

Question 9: May a State require persons operating recreational vehicles or other Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV)s used by family members for non-business purposes to have a CDL?

Guidance: Yes. States may extend the CDL requirements to recreational vehicles.


ALSO CAUTION helping the neighbors haul crops in, even if they ONLY pay for the fuel used.

Question 28: May a farmer who meets all of the conditions for a farm waiver be waived from the CDL requirements when transporting another farmer’s products absent any written contract?

Guidance: If a farmer is transporting another farmer’s products and being paid for doing so, he or she is acting as a contract carrier and does not meet the conditions for a farm waiver. The existence of a contract, written or verbal, is not relevant to the CDL waiver provisions.




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well...it's a done deal, went to look it over today (2003 Dodge 3500 dually, cummins 16 valve turbo diesel, 4-door, 4x4, topper, no goose neck ball or hole in box, front and rear reciever hitches, HD grille guard winch ready, all power, other extras). got them talked down on $$$. has a few minor cracks here and there, no rust, no dents, high miles. drives real nice and rides better than i thought it would. took my mechanic with me and he did the crawling under and all over it checking stuff. dealer threw me the keys and said test drive it, he didn't even go along. tested on city streets, highway, gravel roads. license and insurance will be cheaper than on a newer one. feels like a power house! oh...and yes...it is straight piped, but it don't need that DEF stuff! box and topper will stay on thru this winter then i'll start changing beds on the trucks. i have a rust free regular box to put on my other 1 ton, and i'll put the rusty box on the 2500 that i'm taking the flat bed off of. more workouts for the 180 and the hyd crane. maybe i'll take the old lady....ooooops....i mean the loving wife for a ride.
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 Well,,Good Buddy,,,I'm glad you finally fount what you wanted ,,,,and,,,,and,,,at the "discounted Price"  you was lookin forClapClap,,,UMMmm,,,you never did say what you had to give for it,,,did you,,?
 Say,,,!!!!,,,that thing will be just right for handleing your trailer with that "You Know What" down to that certain place in the great Southwest,,,,right,,?  Right,,??
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B series Cumminns are damn good engines! I believe you will be happy Shameless!
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thanks...so far so good, but it's only been 2 days! lol, my mechanic knows these engines and said it sure sounded good. i'll hafta find where the plug in is on it, or if it even needs to be plugged in in the cold, my diesel burb never had to be plugged in to start in the coldest days. my diesel GMC does hafta be plugged in. i know it's alot easier on them if they are plugged in. the old lady....ooooops....i mean the loving wife gets to retire in about 12-13 months...then LOOK THE **** OUT! lol
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well Joe...my mechanic tolt me that i stole that truck! the old lady...ooooops....i mean the loving wife....loves that straight pipe!
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Hey, maybe you could drive it out here with that Gleaner grain head we talked about last Spring.  In fact, if you have a big enough trailer, you could haul Joe's Chevy powered AC and deliver it to him.  When you come by my place you can stop in and visit the Stockholder!
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John...all was fine and dandy until that last statement...
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 Well,,,,,,,,I WOULD NOT venture to alledge that ole John would do anything to try to undermine you with his favorite neighbor, who just happens to be kin to you,,,,,,but you have to know how them westerners tend to be bout their neighbors,,,,and,,,and,,they are just like THAT,,,(waving crossed fingers)     altho,,,,,,,it might behoove you to stay on ole John's good side by bringing his combine part that he thinks would seal ya'lls friendship for another 3-4 months,,,,,?WinkWink
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Shameless,
 Congrats on the truck, I think. But it didn't really happen unless there are pictures of you, the new truck, and the loving wife. Lets see if you can come up with one?Smile 
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Standard or auto?
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If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.
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it's an auto tranny, would rather have had a stick...but oh well! everything works on it including the remote mirrors. dunno if they heat or not, it won't be used as a daily driver after the 30 days of free time without plates! there isn't an owners manuel with it, maybe i'll come across one sometime. will need better tires when going any distances with it. that's one thing i do after buying something, always put new tires on the stuff. learned the hard way years ago! sure saves walking and lots of work! had to laugh at a sticker on the topper...says: if you want to flush up more birds, hunt with an ugly dog! lol. i just put new tires on the 3/4 ton this truck is replacing PfffffT! maybe them tires will fit this truck, haven't checked yet. the 180 and ag crane will get a workout when i start changing boxes around. anyone know if that plastic headlight cover is a one piece that is included with the headlights behind it? this one is really faded, i took some brake fluid and cleaned them up pretty good but it won't last long being out in the sun. so far 3 of the dogs can jump up inside the cab, i may put the seats up and put a carpet cover piece of plywood in the back seat area for them to lay on. Tom...she finds all kinds of chit for me to do now while she's still employed, she's a slave driver! hopefully i'll have it all done before she retires! the truck seems a little tall, gonna hafta slide down under and see if it can be lowered a bit or not. the seats are comfy and don't hurt my back driving it, they are cloth seats. i think it'll work out o-k, if not i'm sure i can get my money back out of it. man...them straight pipes talk! lol  
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If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.

Yes pay special attention to this post. A coworker is on his 3rd 6speed manual on a 2006 Dodge.
Each time it has needed a clutch as well. This last trip to the shop was north of 7 grand. They over filled to the point it was running out the input. Mechanic said it needed over filled by a lot to lube bearings that weren’t getting lube.
Here in the hills he’s constantly shifting.
Autos work well with a 6 cylinder diesel.
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Drive it enough with the straight pipe and you'll be ready for a muffler.

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If you cannot lower it a bit, Wink just take it the guys putting all the bling on trucks for the hot shot kids and have fancy chromed out running boards put on. You want the fancy retracting ones. Wink If you stand close to truck and open the door, they pop out and bang you shins up. LOL


I have helped one neighbor that had that set up. He even complained about it, as his 70  year old dad had picked them out and had them put on as he was short and had trouble get in. I was warned by the other help and still got kicked once.LOL 


But if you get them be a good excuse to take a Wink stockholder for a ride. Get him herded up real close the the truck on passenger side and then open the drivers door. LOL
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Originally posted by Thad in AR. Thad in AR. wrote:

Originally posted by HD6GTOM HD6GTOM wrote:

If its a stick, have your mechanic drill and tap a hole in the side of the tranny 2" higher than the original fill hole. The top bearings don't get any oil and they burn up. When you put the extra 2" of oil in the tranny everything gets lubed. One of my tire customers who delievered campers all over the USA and my Goodyear tire supplier had Dodges. The guy pulling campers used to carry a spare rebuilt tranny in the box, claimed he could change one in 3-4 hours at the interstate rest areas. They both moved the fill hole up those 2" and stopped the tranny issues. My last service truck was a 1 ton Dodge dually. The clutch disk was put together with plastic rivets. At that time all you could from Dodge had plastic rivets. We found a HD rebuilt clutch at NAPA put together with steel rivets. Also at 80000 miles it developed the death wobble in the front end. We put a steering stablizer on it. That did no good.   It needed a new track bar on the front end. We got the new bar from Dodge. It had grease fittings on both ends. The original bar did not have them and the Dodge bar was cheaper than NAPA, American Auto Parts, or O'Reillys. Hope you have very good luck with your truck. Now as far as her retiring?? She's gonna find so dang much for you to do outside, your gonna want to hire a young man to help. Speaking from expedience.

Yes pay special attention to this post. A coworker is on his 3rd 6speed manual on a 2006 Dodge.
Each time it has needed a clutch as well. This last trip to the shop was north of 7 grand. They over filled to the point it was running out the input. Mechanic said it needed over filled by a lot to lube bearings that weren’t getting lube.
Here in the hills he’s constantly shifting.
Autos work well with a 6 cylinder diesel.
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I have a 2006 3500 5.9 6spd dually and have never replaced a transmission, motor mount yes as it broke backing up heavy loads, has ~150k on it and would expect front end near the 200 mark as the motor is heavy.
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