D14 Will not Start

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   Have you checked to see if the gas may be bad?
I've had that several times. Somehow water kept leaking into my tank(s). After I fenced the place off, that mysteriously stopped.... Hmmmmm. 

You can also temporarily bypass the resistor to get a hotter spark, but I'm more apt to think it's the condensor. 

With the glowing bolt, that tells me you have a grounding issue, and a poor connection of any kind will draw your battery voltage down while cranking, as P=IV (electrical formula) says that as Voltage (V) goes down (poor connection), Current (I) has to go up in order to provide the same power  (P)

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corbinstein Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 31 Jul 2014 Location: Oklahoma Points: 796	Post Options Post Reply Quote corbinstein Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 7:23am
	Have you checked to see if the gas may be bad? I've had that several times. Somehow water kept leaking into my tank(s). After I fenced the place off, that mysteriously stopped.... Hmmmmm. You can also temporarily bypass the resistor to get a hotter spark, but I'm more apt to think it's the condensor. With the glowing bolt, that tells me you have a grounding issue, and a poor connection of any kind will draw your battery voltage down while cranking, as P=IV (electrical formula) says that as Voltage (V) goes down (poor connection), Current (I) has to go up in order to provide the same power (P)

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HVFDFIREFIGHTER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Jun 2013 Location: Heuvelton, NY Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote HVFDFIREFIGHTER Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 7:25am
	Anyone know a safe way to start and shut off tractor using just battery, starter, coil and distributor? Skipping all the wires, gauges, and switches. I figure if it starts like this then I know there is a wiring problem.

Gary Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Peterborough,On Points: 5902	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gary Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 8:11am
	I use an alligator clip on the live wire from the battery to connect to the coil. To stop the engine, disconnect the alligator clip. Gary

Dennis(IA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: IOWA Points: 364	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dennis(IA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 9:35am
	Sounds like a bad GROUND. I am not familiar with the D14 , but I would like to sèe the ground cable attached to a mounting bolt on the starter.

polarbear Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 05 Jul 2016 Location: addieville il Points: 331	Post Options Post Reply Quote polarbear Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 10:54am
	all my d series are positive ground but having said that in my experience when certain bolts get hot it is diffinetly a ground problem

GregLawlerMinn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lawler, Mn Points: 1226	Post Options Post Reply Quote GregLawlerMinn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 2:03pm
	Disconnect the ground cable from the Bat. Run a jumper cable from the bat Grd to another ground; then try starting. If this works, you need to tidy up the ground. BTW; I once had a solid looking bat wire and was experiencing starting isssues. After lots of effort, finally discovered that the cable was corroded where it went into the terminal (not visible); replaced the cable and problem solved. Edited by GregLawlerMinn - 22 Dec 2017 at 2:07pm
	What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC

HVFDFIREFIGHTER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Jun 2013 Location: Heuvelton, NY Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote HVFDFIREFIGHTER Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 2:55pm
	Definetly a ground problem. Took negative side of battery and ran it to one of the four studs on the valve cover (just because it was therenand it was easy to do). Checked all spark plugs and had spark. Put plugs in, started up. Then quite after a minute as I had the gas tank off to get at the bolt that was causing the problem. Too cold now so maybe tomorrow I will get it out all back together. Anything wrong with leaving negative wire connected to valve cover stud permanently? The wire I have acted as if it wad made for that. Maybe that will get too hot though.

GregLawlerMinn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lawler, Mn Points: 1226	Post Options Post Reply Quote GregLawlerMinn Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 3:17pm
	All my D14s have the grd from the bat going to the bolt that holds the rear of the center tin (the one that the side covers go into)
	What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC

Alberta Phil Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Points: 3927	Post Options Post Reply Quote Alberta Phil Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 4:41pm
	My D17 has the ground cable from the battery to the rear valve cover stud. Has been that way for years and no problem with it. I always thought connecting to the battery box or tray was too indirect a connection and left too many places for poor contact.

jaybmiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24709	Post Options Post Reply Quote jaybmiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 6:05pm
	I'd rather it NOT be on a valve cover stud, thinking you don't want to 'reef down' the cover mushing the gasket, then oil leaks, and yeah..another job on the todo list. Left side of engine block, there's 2- 5/16 or 3/8 threaded holes. I use one of them. Clean out the hole(chase with new bolt), use bolt,lock washer,flat washer.... Mine's been there for 5 years... I use a 'Wallmart' combo battery (top and side posts) , use the side posts..made for a nicer instal and no sparkies. Jay
	3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

dt1050 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2011 Location: central pa Points: 1078	Post Options Post Reply Quote dt1050 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 2017 at 6:26pm
	the d17's ground is on the side of the block and uses the same bolt as the coil. the d14 is on the center part of the tin.
	Just cause it's orange don't make it a tractor, there's only one..Allis Chalmers

Herb(GA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Location: United States Points: 1039	Post Options Post Reply Quote Herb(GA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 10:05am
	Secured to bottom rear side edge of battery case (on our D14) is a 6" x 12" x 3/64" sheet metal that extends approximately 3" above top of battery, with top 1" formed 90 degrees; this 1" flat area holds the "U- shaped" strap iron that holds the 5" wide backbone center piece of the hood. This 1" flat area also is threaded for the bolt that secures the ground; this threaded hole is first extruded enough to insure three full threads for the ground bolt. Our ground cable is less than 10" long. Herb(GA)

DougS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Location: Iowa Points: 2490	Post Options Post Reply Quote DougS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 2017 at 10:19am
	I don't like the idea of attaching the ground to sheet metal, regardless of if it was designed this way or not. As for side post wiring - only if you can find it with a nice fat cable. Walmart 12 volt cables won't cut it. Go to a truck repair shop if you must. Steve might be able to fashion up a set for you too.

HVFDFIREFIGHTER Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Jun 2013 Location: Heuvelton, NY Points: 563	Post Options Post Reply Quote HVFDFIREFIGHTER Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 26 Dec 2017 at 12:08pm
	Merry Christmas everyone! 5 degrees out. Drained gas tank, cleaned sediment bowl, took carb apart and gave it a good cleaning. Put all back together and the D14 is purring like a kitten. Now I need to permantly fix the ground cable. Once again, thanks for all the help. This is a great website!!! Happy New Year!