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I saw  somewhere, a guy use a round bucket of the right height, to hold the center up off the floor, then assemble the bits and pieces. I KNOW that's how I did one for my D-14, 20 decades ago....
good news is a CA rim/tire is lighter than a D-14 !
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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

I saw  somewhere, a guy use a round bucket of the right height, to hold the center up off the floor, then assemble the bits and pieces. I KNOW that's how I did one for my D-14, 20 decades ago....
good news is a CA rim/tire is lighter than a D-14 !

Now that you mentioned that, I now remember reading about that trick on this forum a few years ago. Thanks.
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yeah, I'm gettin old at 70 but still remember some things.......
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I, too, use the 5 gallon pail trick, but I also lay the 'tire and rim' assembly on 3 pieces of 8 X 8 Post.

That way you can reach under the tire to install the attaching bolts for the eccentric body.

You can easily slide the eccentric over the rail and down in to position on the wheel.

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Great tips. I appreciate it everyone.

Better to ask here rather than beat myself up figuring it out the hard way. LOL
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

So I sprayed everything with Shop Stufff, a penetrating fluid made from canola and they have been sitting for the last week while I was off driving my other tractor in a couple parades.

So I had some time today so I laid them down, gave a whack with a big hammer like you all suggested and everything fell right out!

Tomorrow I'll just the wedges in the vise and see if I can get them apart.Thumbs Up

Looks exactly like mine when I took them apart.  They looked like new when I got finished with them (other than the pitting beneath the locks).
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

I saw  somewhere, a guy use a round bucket of the right height, to hold the center up off the floor, then assemble the bits and pieces. I KNOW that's how I did one for my D-14, 20 decades ago....
good news is a CA rim/tire is lighter than a D-14 !

Now that you mentioned that, I now remember reading about that trick on this forum a few years ago. Thanks.

I did have a little difficulty getting them back together.  Was a very tight fit.  One was easier than the other so I thought the tolerances on the rim was a little off on one.
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

Cut the rails out before you scrap the rims...Wink

Oh ya? Would anybody have a use for them?

I know I had a set welded onto new non PA rims, it was the most economical solution at the time...Wink
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Well I know I won't have a use for them. I'm pretty sure my new rims are going to last me the rest of my years anyway, LOL

I'm not putting anything but air in them.
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So again, I haven't had time to try and unseize all my rim lock parts. I will eventually, but want my tractor mobile.

I was looking at all the new rim locks available and saw these. They are shown as out of stock here, but have found them at other suppliers.

My question now is.....do these not need circlips and the rectangular blocks (Eccentric Pin Block) that sit on the pins like my original ones do? Or do I need to still use those?
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That is the lock not the eccentric. It goes through the hole in the rail to prevent spinning wheel on rails.
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Well I know I won't have a use for them. I'm pretty sure my new rims are going to last me the rest of my years anyway, LOL

I'm not putting anything but air in them.

I'm keeping the old rims.  Not in good shape, but repairable with some effort.  I thought I might use them for duals in the future...or not.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

That is the lock not the eccentric. It goes through the hole in the rail to prevent spinning wheel on rails.

Ah ha, that's what it looks like...I need a couple of those.
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Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

That is the lock not the eccentric. It goes through the hole in the rail to prevent spinning wheel on rails.

Oh okay. I'm still learning this thing. So that is about all I see listed new. So guess I will have to salvage what I can and get other used parts.
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I put my wheel centers back on my D17 rims today. Had some help to make it easier. Bolted the first clamp on the wheel center. Had the wheel standing up. Placed the block(parts manual calls it a block) in the clamp(my parts manual calls it the body) and laid it on the rail at the bottom. Slid the next clamp on the rail opposite of the first one and installed the bolts loosely on the wheel center. Placed the other clamps on and and again loosely tightened the bolts. Slid the wheel center up against the stop and tightened all bolts. Once in place I tightened down all eccentrics(manual calls it pin).

Edited by AC720Man - 23 Aug 2023 at 9:42pm
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I do assemble the eccentrics, wedges,hub and rim on the floor face up. Stem hole up on the rim. Reach though the hub center to poke bolts through.
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I finally got everything apart! Went better than expected.

Three of my eccentric pins are pretty good shape, but three are pretty scabby and wore. And one has the head broke off.
But at least I'm relieved I got everything apart.
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And here's the blocks. They all look pretty good.
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Put the center back on the tractor . One eccentric straight up put tractor in gear so it wont move roll the rim over and put one rail on the eccentric jack tractor up till rim hangs. Install the rest loosely. Tighten all to center. Tighten bottom eccentric turn wheel 90 deg and tighten turn 180 and tighten bottom eccentric. They should all be tight now.
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

I finally got everything apart! Went better than expected.

Three of my eccentric pins are pretty good shape, but three are pretty scabby and wore. And one has the head broke off.
But at least I'm relieved I got everything apart.

Can't tell 100% but some of mine looked almost that bad but I was able to chip and grind them back into shape with some effort and they were smooth as butter and locked up tight.  I would recommend new though.  I really wanted to keep it maximally original so was a little obsessive about making it work :)


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As long as the cams hold the clamps tight, that's all you need. Also, smear some anti seize lube on the cams, to keep them mobile.  I'd start looking for some cams that match up with the square heads, or get all of them to hex heads, that way you only have to have 1 wrench, to adjust...Wink
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I'm curious after looking at pics I have seen posted of other CA rear wheels.

Why do some of you seem to have all four wedges with eccentric pins and I only have 3 eccentrics and one of these on each of my wheels?
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I'm still waiting to get everything back together. Had to order new tires. The old ones were as rotten as the rims once I had them dismounted.
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All of my CA’s had 3 clamps and 1 hanger. Put the hanger on top and then assemble the other three clamps. 
It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Originally posted by sparky sparky wrote:

All of my CA’s had 3 clamps and 1 hanger. Put the hanger on top and then assemble the other three clamps. 


Pretty sure both of mine are just like Sparky describes.
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So what is that in the pic I posted above of the Rim Stop And Bolt? Or is that for a different model?

And I notice one rail in each of my rear rims has a series of holes along it's length.
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The rim stop is in your 10’th paragraph down. The rim stop bolt goes in one of the holes in the rail according to how wide you have the rear width set.
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Originally posted by sparky sparky wrote:

The rim stop is in your 10’th paragraph down. The rim stop bolt goes in one of the holes in the rail according to how wide you have the rear width set.

Okay. My tractor had none of those. Only the one pictured above that has no pin or bolt in it.

Is it better to have the one with the locking bolt or does it really matter?
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And in them was a full set of hex head eccentrics!! I can't thank him enough!!

What a super person! He wouldn't even let me send him anything for them. 

He just helped save another Allis.

Got my new rear rims in the truck ready to head to the tire shop tomorrow to get new rubber mounted while I am at work this week.

Thanks again Jay!!!
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