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    Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 7:58pm
Just wanted to ask some advice before I move forward. The rear rims have been rotten on my CA for years, but I kept using it until they finally collapsed a couple weeks ago.

I have new power adjust rims for it but need to get these apart. I got everything lose, except the locks. I currently have them soaked in Shop Stufff (a canola based penetrating lubricant), and Krown penetrating oil.

I don't have the tool for them and as you can see, one of the square nubs was already broke off when I got the tractor.
Sorry, I don't know all the correct terminology for each of these parts, so bear with me.

So what would be my next move? Should I apply heat? And if so, where?
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Another shot.
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Just wanted to ask some advice before I move forward. The rear rims have been rotten on my CA for years, but I kept using it until they finally collapsed a couple weeks ago.

I have new power adjust rims for it but need to get these apart. I got everything lose, except the locks. I currently have them soaked in Shop Stufff (a canola based penetrating lubricant), and Krown penetrating oil.

I don't have the tool for them and as you can see, one of the square nubs was already broke off when I got the tractor.
Sorry, I don't know all the correct terminology for each of these parts, so bear with me.

So what would be my next move? Should I apply heat? And if so, where?

I recently put new rims on mine.  At least that bad.  I just used penetrant soak for a few days then careful hammering.  Didn't damage anything.  Even got the locks apart.  I put new 12 inch rims and 13.6 tires.  Looks mean.  I can't wait till it actually runs :)  Brother just took block and crank to machine shop.
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put a block of wood on the center and hit it with sledge hammer you knock the center out of the rim and the locks will come off.  When i had frozen locks I literally put them in my wood stove for a couple hours then took them out let them cool off a minute or two then worked them free while in a vise. I know it all sounds quite crude but i did 3 sets that way 
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Lay the wheel on the ground, on a clean sheet of plywoor, or tarp (easy to find the parts, thataway, especially the rail followers). Then give the center a couple taps between the clamps, all should fall away fairly easily.  If not put some more penetrant in th clamp, and hit it again, later.

As for the clamps, themselves, watch this video:


On edit, I see one of the square heads has already been snapped off, Not real sure, but you may be able to weld a nut on it. Square ones are prone to snapping, more so than the hex ones.  I always try to get them moving in and out, before trying to twist them...Wink 


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Glad I asked here now. Thanks all. So I should be able to hammer the center out? 
I tried just easy, and it didn't. I thought maybe I HAD to get the locks undone.

You can see where I got the wedges moving, by the break in the paint, but that's as far as I got.

So is everything pretty tough? Can I just put a wood block on the center and pound on it?

I did read that trick on this forum about putting them in the woodstove overnight.

That one that is broke off, can they still be bought new?


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On edit, I see one of the square heads has already been snapped off, Not real sure, but you may be able to weld a nut on it. Square ones are prone to snapping, more so than the hex ones.  I always try to get them moving in and out, before trying to twist them...Wink 
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Move them in and out before twisting? So do I just tap on the square heads with a hammer to loosen them up?
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Thanks for the video DIYDave!!
That was very helpful.
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You may want to put a socket over them, hammer on the socket.  Doesn't matter what size or square or hex, as long as it protects the head from mushrooming.  Hammer from front and back, alternating, add penetrating oil as needed. sometimes it takes an hour per clamp, sometimes more, to get them moving.  Once you get the front-back movement, then try twisting. When you get the front-back movement, then you can pull the snap ring off the back, allowing more penetrant in...Wink
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I gotta get the poor old girl looking as good as the Ford.
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I have some spare eccentric's if you need one.
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I've got 2-3 buckets FULL of them eccentrics, off my D-14s..
they're yours if you want them
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for some 'silly' reason you can't stuff 4200 sqft of treasures into a 200 sqft garage...
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Originally posted by 1955CA 1955CA wrote:

Glad I asked here now. Thanks all. So I should be able to hammer the center out? 
I tried just easy, and it didn't. I thought maybe I HAD to get the locks undone.

You can see where I got the wedges moving, by the break in the paint, but that's as far as I got.

So is everything pretty tough? Can I just put a wood block on the center and pound on it?

I did read that trick on this forum about putting them in the woodstove overnight.

That one that is broke off, can they still be bought new?

I used a flat end punch or a bolt a little smaller in diameter so as not to damage the outer edge.  I didn't have to use any heat.  I did have to hit pretty hard.  This was after 30 years of sitting in the weather.
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A 6x6 block right in the middle, a sledge hammer and swing like your trying to ring the bell at a carnival. Just don't miss.
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Thanks a lot everyone! I'm just letting everything soak for a day or two.

I appreciate that offer Jay and Leon. I definitely need one to replace that one with the stud broke off. Not sure if I will need any more or if I will be able to save them all.

But I'm in Soviet Canukistan (Canada) so I don't know much about shipping stuff, but I will definitely have to pay you for that because it probably won't be cheap. 
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jay just lives around the corner from Ya !! Wink
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

jay just lives around the corner from Ya !! Wink

He just contacted me!

Perfect, this Allis needs to continue living!
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So I sprayed everything with Shop Stufff, a penetrating fluid made from canola and they have been sitting for the last week while I was off driving my other tractor in a couple parades.

So I had some time today so I laid them down, gave a whack with a big hammer like you all suggested and everything fell right out!

Tomorrow I'll just the wedges in the vise and see if I can get them apart.Thumbs Up
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That was my biggest fear was that those centers were going to be rotten but all good!
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Should I do like all the other scammers out there and list my rims for sale?

"Mint shape, just needs paint"  Big smile
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Cut the rails out before you scrap the rims...Wink
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RAN WHEN PARKED !!!............. Wink


another option to get "stuck rusted parts apart" is to use Electrolysis.... a 5 gallon plastic bucket with water / soda , and a battery charger can do a lot in 2-3 days.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

RAN WHEN PARKED !!!............. Wink


another option to get "stuck rusted parts apart" is to use Electrolysis.... a 5 gallon plastic bucket with water / soda , and a battery charger can do a lot in 2-3 days.

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Originally posted by DiyDave DiyDave wrote:

Cut the rails out before you scrap the rims...Wink

Oh ya? Would anybody have a use for them?
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The sad thing is I've had worse...which explains the 2 pails of parts I have here....

now if the other rim is just as bad you could cut and weld and get one good rim....

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Originally posted by jaybmiller jaybmiller wrote:

The sad thing is I've had worse...which explains the 2 pails of parts I have here....

now if the other rim is just as bad you could cut and weld and get one good rim....


This is the other one.

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So next dumb question. Will it be easier to assemble the hub  back into the new rims and 
put on tractor one piece like I took them off?

I've never dealt with these power adjust wheels before.
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I have "patched" several rims over the years with good success.... But i think i will PASS on that one ! LOL
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Once you have the eccentrics apart, cleaned and in working order, unlock the eccentric. If possible have a helper hold the wheel center and start loosely assembling the clamps in place in the rails. Once all 4 are loosely bolted In place, start tightening them evenly all the way around. They will become tighter on the rails. It will require the power of the tractor to slide them on the rails at this point. Once you have them where you want them, turn the eccentric to the right-until it hits the stop. Once all 4 are locked down the wheel will be locked in place. Make sure you put a locking collar on each side of a clamp to make sure it doesn’t slip.
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Perfect. Thanks!
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