![]() |
This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity. | |||||
The Forum | Parts and Services | Unofficial Allis Store | Tractor Shows | Serial Numbers | History |
CA Rear Rim Change |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 123> |
Author | |
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 03 Aug 2023 at 7:58pm |
Just wanted to ask some advice before I move forward. The rear rims have been rotten on my CA for years, but I kept using it until they finally collapsed a couple weeks ago.
I have new power adjust rims for it but need to get these apart. I got everything lose, except the locks. I currently have them soaked in Shop Stufff (a canola based penetrating lubricant), and Krown penetrating oil. I don't have the tool for them and as you can see, one of the square nubs was already broke off when I got the tractor. Sorry, I don't know all the correct terminology for each of these parts, so bear with me. So what would be my next move? Should I apply heat? And if so, where?
![]() |
|
![]() |
|
Sponsored Links | |
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Another shot.
![]() |
|
![]() |
|
dfwallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2023 Location: DFW Points: 520 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I recently put new rims on mine. At least that bad. I just used penetrant soak for a few days then careful hammering. Didn't damage anything. Even got the locks apart. I put new 12 inch rims and 13.6 tires. Looks mean. I can't wait till it actually runs :) Brother just took block and crank to machine shop.
|
|
![]() |
|
DMac ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 18 Feb 2023 Location: Springville ny Points: 66 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
put a block of wood on the center and hit it with sledge hammer you knock the center out of the rim and the locks will come off. When i had frozen locks I literally put them in my wood stove for a couple hours then took them out let them cool off a minute or two then worked them free while in a vise. I know it all sounds quite crude but i did 3 sets that way
|
|
![]() |
|
DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 51222 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Lay the wheel on the ground, on a clean sheet of plywoor, or tarp (easy to find the parts, thataway, especially the rail followers). Then give the center a couple taps between the clamps, all should fall away fairly easily. If not put some more penetrant in th clamp, and hit it again, later.
As for the clamps, themselves, watch this video: On edit, I see one of the square heads has already been snapped off, Not real sure, but you may be able to weld a nut on it. Square ones are prone to snapping, more so than the hex ones. I always try to get them moving in and out, before trying to twist them...
![]() Edited by DiyDave - 03 Aug 2023 at 8:31pm |
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Glad I asked here now. Thanks all. So I should be able to hammer the center out?
I tried just easy, and it didn't. I thought maybe I HAD to get the locks undone. You can see where I got the wedges moving, by the break in the paint, but that's as far as I got. So is everything pretty tough? Can I just put a wood block on the center and pound on it? I did read that trick on this forum about putting them in the woodstove overnight. That one that is broke off, can they still be bought new?
Edited by 1955CA - 03 Aug 2023 at 8:43pm |
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On edit, I see one of the square heads has already been snapped off, Not real sure, but you may be able to weld a nut on it. Square ones are prone to snapping, more so than the hex ones. I always try to get them moving in and out, before trying to twist them...
[/QUOTE]
![]() Move them in and out before twisting? So do I just tap on the square heads with a hammer to loosen them up?
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks for the video DIYDave!!
That was very helpful.
|
|
![]() |
|
DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 51222 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
You may want to put a socket over them, hammer on the socket. Doesn't matter what size or square or hex, as long as it protects the head from mushrooming. Hammer from front and back, alternating, add penetrating oil as needed. sometimes it takes an hour per clamp, sometimes more, to get them moving. Once you get the front-back movement, then try twisting. When you get the front-back movement, then you can pull the snap ring off the back, allowing more penetrant in...
![]() |
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I gotta get the poor old girl looking as good as the Ford.
|
|
![]() |
|
Leon B MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Old Monroe, Mo Points: 2087 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have some spare eccentric's if you need one.
Leon B MO
|
|
Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".
|
|
![]() |
|
jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22160 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I've got 2-3 buckets FULL of them eccentrics, off my D-14s.. they're yours if you want them free of course... for some 'silly' reason you can't stuff 4200 sqft of treasures into a 200 sqft garage... Jay |
|
3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
|
![]() |
|
dfwallis ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 09 Mar 2023 Location: DFW Points: 520 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I used a flat end punch or a bolt a little smaller in diameter so as not to damage the outer edge. I didn't have to use any heat. I did have to hit pretty hard. This was after 30 years of sitting in the weather.
|
|
![]() |
|
Leon B MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Old Monroe, Mo Points: 2087 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A 6x6 block right in the middle, a sledge hammer and swing like your trying to ring the bell at a carnival. Just don't miss.
Leon B Mo |
|
Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself".
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks a lot everyone! I'm just letting everything soak for a day or two.
I appreciate that offer Jay and Leon. I definitely need one to replace that one with the stud broke off. Not sure if I will need any more or if I will be able to save them all. But I'm in Soviet Canukistan (Canada) so I don't know much about shipping stuff, but I will definitely have to pay you for that because it probably won't be cheap.
|
|
![]() |
|
steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79872 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
jay just lives around the corner from Ya !!
![]() |
|
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
He just contacted me! Perfect, this Allis needs to continue living!
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So I sprayed everything with Shop Stufff, a penetrating fluid made from canola and they have been sitting for the last week while I was off driving my other tractor in a couple parades.
So I had some time today so I laid them down, gave a whack with a big hammer like you all suggested and everything fell right out! Tomorrow I'll just the wedges in the vise and see if I can get them apart. ![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That was my biggest fear was that those centers were going to be rotten but all good!
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Should I do like all the other scammers out there and list my rims for sale?
"Mint shape, just needs paint"
![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
|
DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 51222 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Cut the rails out before you scrap the rims...
![]() |
|
Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need!
|
|
![]() |
|
steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79872 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
RAN WHEN PARKED !!!.............
![]() another option to get "stuck rusted parts apart" is to use Electrolysis.... a 5 gallon plastic bucket with water / soda , and a battery charger can do a lot in 2-3 days.
|
|
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"No low ballers. They don't make these every day. I KNOW WHAT I GOT!" ![]() ![]() |
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Oh ya? Would anybody have a use for them?
|
|
![]() |
|
jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22160 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The sad thing is I've had worse...which explains the 2 pails of parts I have here.... now if the other rim is just as bad you could cut and weld and get one good rim.... |
|
3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This is the other one. ![]() |
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So next dumb question. Will it be easier to assemble the hub back into the new rims and
put on tractor one piece like I took them off? I've never dealt with these power adjust wheels before.
|
|
![]() |
|
steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 79872 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have "patched" several rims over the years with good success.... But i think i will PASS on that one !
![]() |
|
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
|
|
![]() |
|
AC720Man ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4827 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Once you have the eccentrics apart, cleaned and in working order, unlock the eccentric. If possible have a helper hold the wheel center and start loosely assembling the clamps in place in the rails. Once all 4 are loosely bolted In place, start tightening them evenly all the way around. They will become tighter on the rails. It will require the power of the tractor to slide them on the rails at this point. Once you have them where you want them, turn the eccentric to the right-until it hits the stop. Once all 4 are locked down the wheel will be locked in place. Make sure you put a locking collar on each side of a clamp to make sure it doesn’t slip.
|
|
1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
|
|
![]() |
|
1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 585 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Perfect. Thanks!
|
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 123> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |