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injpumpEd
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 12:55pm |
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something else is screwy her, none of the throttles were ever different than the others. The only thing I can think, is the dealer did some shady things. I knew a guy in S. Texas had a 185 that had some goofy lever movements, and the shut-off was reversed too. That was in 1980. I know how you seem to remember something a certain way for many, many years, then later see a pic, or hear the same story from another person that was there, and you realize you'd been remembering it wrong all those years lol! Sucks to get old!
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Tbone95
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:00pm |
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Ed, I think he means throttle different than his other tractors, not necessarily different than Allis. I can attest to the Massey 165 and several deere models where "throttle down" or back was faster, allis, push throttle up for faster.
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Trinity45
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:27pm |
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We had a 7020, shifter was on the console, throttle was moved forward to increase rpm's. Now our 185 for whatever reason, the kill switch you push in, it must be pulled out to run.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:56pm |
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7020's like that too.
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Lonn
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 4:16pm |
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Is that what I've heard call a lister? Edited by Lonn - 12 Jul 2016 at 4:18pm |
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KY poorboy
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Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 10:59pm |
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Lonn, I think they used them a lot in cotton country. I have seen several at Sikeston, MO auctions. At one time a lot of guys used them around here for tobacco. Around here they are called ridgers. They throw the dirt into ridges about a foot tall for how ever many rows that the tool is built for. Then you plant the crop, or set the tobacco on top of the ridge after you run what I think they call a leveler through the field to just level the very top of the ridges. It was a big thing around here with the bigger tobacco growers at one time. Most of those guys have gone to strip tilling their tobacco now.
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Lonn
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Ridge Till? I remember that being a fad here in the late 1970's and early 1980's but then it was gone. I was a little young to take note on what it was all about. I just drove tractor for Dad pulling whatever he had.... chisel and offset disk.
Wow.... glad I spell checked myself before posting, disk is way too easy to mess up.
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WD45Diesel57
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 7:27am |
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i currently have a 7020 and there is nothing on the floor besides the diff lock and power shift oil dipstick tube.
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Lonn
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1970s farmer: I don't think anyone wants you to leave, and these guys are just trying to help you figure out this mystery. I, too, would like to get it solved for you. I've been collecting allis stuff for almost 25 years, and I've read 3 books on allis farm equipment cover to cover at least twice each, and I am telling you, from my knowledge, that everything these guys have said is true. I am very curious to the outcome of this, and I hope you can find some pictures to help out. Good luck, Darrel
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 8:42am |
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One thing I can put in here; Tractordata.com is not a final authority on everything. For instance, they say that the 5020/5030 Alllis has live PTO. I have a 5030, and it is certainly NOT live. It does have a built in overrunning clutch, though. So I emailed tractordata to suggest they correct their information; and they blew me off.
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1970sFarmer
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:06am |
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This mystery deepens and deepens. I remember four levers on the right side: Three point hitch, two remote, and Hi-Lo-Park. I remember the H-L-P, because one day (dirty laundry here) I was in the wrong range for Dad, I was in lo on the console, He races his truck ahead of me, jams on the brakes, runs back and reaches up and yanks it into hi range, nearly drags me off the tractor...what a day.
Everyone says, the 7020 only had a powershift trans...I presume this is like in off road dumps that have Allisons HT, and DP, CLBT 6 speeds. Or like the original 500 hp BIG BUD with a 12v71 DD and ht 756 allison trans. Put it in gear, accelrate.. I tell you guys, My was a power direct. Two floor buttons, gear lever in the floor, and Hi-Lo-Park. I want to solve this so badly.....
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:11am |
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7020 was avialable with power director (two buttons on floor) or powershift just not produced until 78' and no it would be different than those other models you listed should all use a converter the AC does not
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A caveat team..
we lost everything a year or two later. Everything. The dealership took every plow, disc, cultivator because the Deutz trade-in wasn't worth enough or some crap.. So, we may have had a larger tractor with 7020 sheet metal...Dad worked so hard, but was just too trusting... |
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VOILA...four "Hipper"..
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Here's another head scratcher.
the same man who had the hipper on a AC 190, one day had an implement that was two rows of working parts. First row were a series of vertical teeth shaped like cotton picker teeth, that rotated on 360' on the vertical plane..this implement was 4 or 6 rows wide... then a leveler? roller basket or horizontal rotating blades like a do-all... Ever see or heard of this?
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:39am |
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Lonn, no black belly PD tractor had a shifter on the floor. |
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Jordan(OH)
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:41am |
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1970s, NO ONE on this post said a 7020 was powershift only.
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Tbone95
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Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:42am |
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Nobody is telling you 7020's only come with a powershift. They are telling you that the power director 7020's do not have a floor shifter. The 5 speed and R shifter that used to be on the floor was replaced with a t-handle shifter placed directly beside the hi lo park shifter, in the same console area. Still has the 2 buttons on the floor. Powershifts do not have the 2 floor buttons.
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I had a customer with a 7020 that was used in a feed lot operation. Perhaps the correct word is abused. He was constantly having trouble with the power director tee handle gear shifter getting out of adjustment. I finally removed the transmission top and replaced it with a floor shifted one from a 7040 salvage unit. It made it much more of a positive shift rather than going through a cable and linkage. This same tractor also got the range lever removed and I made a lever to go directly onto the lever coming out of the rear end housing. I cut a pattern in the floor board to match the high, low, park movement. Worked good, no more expensive cables to get out of adjustment.
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To Jordan and Lonn..
Nope..nothing like mine...I would remember the t-handle. Ours had a handle Low(turtle) back - High (rabbit) forward, and park..(dead roach?_ This is really screwy...I believe you guys, but I know what I Had...maybe I can find a photo.
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It would be cool if this were some sort of prototype, but the shady dealer practices tell me otherwise.
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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!
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I like a good mystery and this one has some building suspense. Was the tractor a cab or an open station?
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I haven't seen this much interest in belly color since "I Dream of Jeannie" premiered!
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Four Post open ROPS....Turn signals and flashers in a white roof, fore and aft.
I love that tractor.
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