1977 Allis Chalmer 7020 Belly Color
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Topic: 1977 Allis Chalmer 7020 Belly Color
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Subject: 1977 Allis Chalmer 7020 Belly Color
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 2:45pm
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In 1976, My father and I bought a 7020, new, from an Allis dealer in Somerville, TN,. Up to now, I would've swore on a stack of bibles that is was orange and Maroon belly. I haven't been able to find one with that color. All I see are the "black Bellies". Anyone help me out.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 3:01pm
| No 7020's made in 1976 and no 7020's were maroon either......late 1977 is when the black belly was released. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 3:57pm
| Thanks, but I know it was in 1976, it was the bicentennial and same hear my parents bought a house. , it probably was a '77 model, and I distinctly remember the maroon color...because when the black bellies came out, I commented to my father in law, who was a farmer, they changed colors... |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 4:07pm
| Well, then it wasn't a 7020. They weren't released until late 1977 and were considered 1978 models. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 7:00pm
| My years might be off, but I know My tractors, and 7020 was the model. I will look for pictures. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 7:07pm
| My 7020 and 7045 advertising literature is dated August of 1977 and I think they were shown to the Dealers for the first time in Sept or October in Las Vegas. |
Posted By: Joe(IA)
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 7:38pm
| Don't question the Dr. Everything he has stated is true. ALLLLL 7020s were black bellies from the factory! |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 10:03pm
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The dealer at Sommerville was Billy Myers.... I would not put anything by Billy.... that is Buford Pusser country!
I took inventory down there in 75 or 76 and he had a nice crop of high value, if you know what I mean , growing in the gain bins of the F Gleaners in inventory! Ron Ross was the TM and we were scared to death we would wind up in a mess there. I had dinner with Billy in MKE in the winter of 76 . 7 course fine meal plus desert. After taking the napkin from under his chin he stuffed a napkin in his glass and SPIT - he ate the whole meal with a chaw... After he died (was killed) we bought out his parts stock from an Aussie who was razing the property. Seems Billy got in some deep stuff after AC, had something on the powers that be, and one night in the dealership shop (old slaughterhouse) where he had an apartment, a young lady decided to start screaming, and her x just happened to be out side and busted in and shot Billy in his bed. Billy was tuff however and reached up under the headboard, brought out a double barrel sawed off 12 ga and 'defended' himself... the sheriff just happened to be there at 2 AM and some one called 911.. Billy was pronounced dead on arrival at 6 AM at the hospital .... they drove old Bill around ... til he expired??? Anyway that was the story the locals told us,,, we didn't stay after dark...IF Billy wanted to hang a set of 7020 side sheets on a 7000 or 7030,,,, no one would say a word.... :-) His kids didn't fare to well in living long either... and we saw where a tommygun was let loose inside a trailer in the back,,, strange red stains on the carpet... if anyone knows Larry Brannon who now works at Whayne supply in Hopkinsville, ask him about ole Billy ....
------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 10:39pm
Wow !!!!! ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
tbran wrote:Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 12:17am
That sounds like a good movie to make tbran  !,better get that story to a script writer fasst ,id love to see it.
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 6:47am
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Hey, Tbran... Somerville was close to Pusser country. Funny thing is, we moved from Somerville, Fayette Cty, to McNairy / Hardin County, which unmistakenly, WAS Pusser country. Buford's home was in Adamsville, TN> His museum is there. The name Myers rings a solid bell. I have got to find the answer to this. I remember the smell of the engine, the first time we fired her up after unloading it. My dad sitting high in the four post ROPS. The spool of the turbo...looking at MAROON>... |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 7:12am
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Even if they'd hung other sheet metal or decals on a tractor in 1976, how would they have known a 7020 was going to be introduced in late 1977? You sure you got your year right 1970sFarmer? I'm betting you're off a year or so. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 7:16am
| Was there a shifter on the floor between your legs? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 7:20am
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I've shared a story about a local Deere dealer before where they buried a new combine and tractor in a shed of corn so mother Deere couldn't locate them and never did. Deere's paper work in the early 80's was sloppy enough that the dealer got by with it but the dealership contract was pulled right quick. They would also use new tractors on their own farm but disconnect the hour meters and then touch them up and sell as new or as demonstrators. Deere came out to spot check once as they were suspicious of things and were told certain pieces of equipment were out on lease but when Deere visited the farmers whose name were on the leases the farmers didn't know what they were talking about. Needless to say, once it all came out, stuff hit the fan and the dealership went bust. No one went to jail or even fined as, like said before, paper work was lax. Now it's an independent repair shop run by someone else for the past 30 plus years. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:03am
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Hey, Jordan. I remember a Floor shifter, Low/High on the right console, and low / high buttons in the left floor paneL. Can't forget those, they would pop loudly, when slowing when driving on the road, field to field..Also, I remember the throttle being backwards. Our other tractors you pulled the throttle lever toward you / downward to accelerate. The 7020 you pushed forward...
I could be off by a year...Geez, we are talking 40 years ago now. I am going to see if we have any family photos. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:21am
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No 7020 had a floor shifting stick.
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:27am
| Doesn't matter how many years you are off. If it had a shifter on the floor it definitely was a maroon belly and definitely was NOT a 7020. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:47am
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and why would it not have a floor gear lever... http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/2/0/204-allis-chalmers-7020-transmission.html Not being snarky, but Jordan, Lonn...what is your background on these units. I sat the seat for many hours. I remember a 5 or six speed main box, (my dad called it that), high - low range lever on the right and buttons in the floor. The above website list, second option listed, the transmission I remember. And please remember, I can't have it confused with our other tractors. We started with a MAssey 165, Deutz 100 06, remember this one had 18 speeds. and a "Creeper"..I operated a time or two, a 1105 MF, a 7600 or 7700 Ford, and once a 1066 IH. Tranny setups nothing like the 7020. I have got to stand on this one... I will find information at my parents, and if I am wrong...I will lament. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:49am
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Jordan, If not a 7020 Maroon, then what.... Dad wanted the '20 because we didn't have anything larger enough to pull with the AC> We needed something to really shag a PICO 12.5' breaking disc, it was heavy...24" scallop disc...it would cut wood...
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 8:55am
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How many decades has it been since you spent time in the seat? Our 'background,' evidently more than yours. 7020 was black belly ONLY. NO black belly tractor had a shift lever on the floor. Where in your link does it mention a floor shifter? |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:00am
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You didn't answer the question. What is your experience, and back ground? the website stated. Five gears in two ranges (slow/fast) with two-range power shift. Power shift controlled by foot buttons.
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:05am
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7020 gear shifts were not on the floor, they were located in the side console on the right side of the seat. For maroon belly tractors produced in 1976, your choices are ... 7000, 7040, 7060 and 7080. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:06am
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I read the website, high low foot buttons are not a floor mounted shifter, you mentioned the buttons yourself. Since you must know, I've used and studied AC tractors all my life. Why are you not comprehending what others are telling you? 7000, 7030, 7040, 7050, 7060, and 7080 were the only ones available in maroon. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:13am
| Also, I have no idea what a Pico disk is, the hp it takes to pull one, or why one would want to 'shag' with it. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:21am
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My back ground is I worked at an AC shop a few years. I have collected tons of sales brochures. Have sat in and ran several different models and have studied Allis since I was a teen. The 7020 20 Speed gear shift was in the side console next to the range shift. A Chrome T-handle was the gear shift ON THE SIDE CONSOLE. It retains the 2 speed buttons on the floor and the range shift on the side console. That is the PD model. The PS model had the range and PS shift on the side console also. Those are facts. Nobody wants to be mean but you come off new here trying to tell us that we don't know what we are talking about. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:22am
| Sounds like one of the many thousands of 7040 Power Director tractors that were sold from very late 1974 thru most of 1977. Five-speed floor shift with HIGH-LOW-PARK on the right side and two power shift buttons on the floor, with maroon chassis paint UNLESS it was painted over to black, but why would any Dealer have done that in 1976 ?? the black chassis paint scheme hadn't been conceived yet. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:51am
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Dr. Allis, Thank you. It did indeed have HIGH-LOW-PARK CONSOLE...You named everything I see in my mind's eye... Look, guys. I am 56, going through some  , and trying to get back to some years that were pretty good. I am just trying to rebuild my memory. or re-live a past..I don't know.I do know, you are right, and I am right....You have longevity, I have memories. I have memories of being broke, and a Dad that was mad. The only solace I have is the tractors. I love sitting on them, the sound, the feel under my seat, the smell of diesel exhaust in the cool of the morning, and late at night. Not trying to be difficult, just trying to find peace... if you are offended, Please forgive me..not my intention. Someone posted the name of the dealership, Myers, and that really rang out. I do remember it was the "new" style of tractor. I remember the 190 with a hipper on it at the dealership. Just trying to find answers, not arguements...If you all want, I will just leave... Also, PICO was Popularville Implement Company, Popularville MS..." basically a heavy, breaking disc for new or rough terrain shag" the disc is west tennesse saying, meaning to pull an implement at a rapid, but controllable pace in which to cover the most ground.
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 9:57am
| a lot of highway construction companies use disks like that |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 12:08pm
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What's a hipper?
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 12:34pm
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Lonn, It is an implement that creates furrows to plant directly on top of.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 12:55pm
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something else is screwy her, none of the throttles were ever different than the others. The only thing I can think, is the dealer did some shady things. I knew a guy in S. Texas had a 185 that had some goofy lever movements, and the shut-off was reversed too. That was in 1980. I know how you seem to remember something a certain way for many, many years, then later see a pic, or hear the same story from another person that was there, and you realize you'd been remembering it wrong all those years lol! Sucks to get old! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:00pm
| Ed, I think he means throttle different than his other tractors, not necessarily different than Allis. I can attest to the Massey 165 and several deere models where "throttle down" or back was faster, allis, push throttle up for faster. |
Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:27pm
| We had a 7020, shifter was on the console, throttle was moved forward to increase rpm's. Now our 185 for whatever reason, the kill switch you push in, it must be pulled out to run. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 1:56pm
| 7020's like that too. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 4:16pm
Is that what I've heard call a lister? ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2016 at 10:59pm
| Lonn, I think they used them a lot in cotton country. I have seen several at Sikeston, MO auctions. At one time a lot of guys used them around here for tobacco. Around here they are called ridgers. They throw the dirt into ridges about a foot tall for how ever many rows that the tool is built for. Then you plant the crop, or set the tobacco on top of the ridge after you run what I think they call a leveler through the field to just level the very top of the ridges. It was a big thing around here with the bigger tobacco growers at one time. Most of those guys have gone to strip tilling their tobacco now. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 6:10am
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Ridge Till? I remember that being a fad here in the late 1970's and early 1980's but then it was gone. I was a little young to take note on what it was all about. I just drove tractor for Dad pulling whatever he had.... chisel and offset disk. Wow.... glad I spell checked myself before posting, disk is way too easy to mess up. 
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Posted By: WD45Diesel57
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 7:27am
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i currently have a 7020 and there is nothing on the floor besides the diff lock and power shift oil dipstick tube. ------------- 1-B's, 2-C, 2-CA's,2-WF, 1-WC,1-G, 3-WD's, 2-WD45, 1-RC, 1-D17 Diesel, 1-D14, 2-D15,1-D17 row crop,1-D19 gas and All Crop 40,60,66,72,90 and 100 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 7:37am
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Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 8:29am
| 1970s farmer: I don't think anyone wants you to leave, and these guys are just trying to help you figure out this mystery. I, too, would like to get it solved for you. I've been collecting allis stuff for almost 25 years, and I've read 3 books on allis farm equipment cover to cover at least twice each, and I am telling you, from my knowledge, that everything these guys have said is true. I am very curious to the outcome of this, and I hope you can find some pictures to help out. Good luck, Darrel |
Posted By: TramwayGuy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 8:42am
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One thing I can put in here; Tractordata.com is not a final authority on everything. For instance, they say that the 5020/5030 Alllis has live PTO. I have a 5030, and it is certainly NOT live. It does have a built in overrunning clutch, though. So I emailed tractordata to suggest they correct their information; and they blew me off. You can draw your own conclusion. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:06am
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This mystery deepens and deepens. I remember four levers on the right side: Three point hitch, two remote, and Hi-Lo-Park. I remember the H-L-P, because one day (dirty laundry here) I was in the wrong range for Dad, I was in lo on the console, He races his truck ahead of me, jams on the brakes, runs back and reaches up and yanks it into hi range, nearly drags me off the tractor...what a day. Everyone says, the 7020 only had a powershift trans...I presume this is like in off road dumps that have Allisons HT, and DP, CLBT 6 speeds. Or like the original 500 hp BIG BUD with a 12v71 DD and ht 756 allison trans. Put it in gear, accelrate.. I tell you guys, My was a power direct. Two floor buttons, gear lever in the floor, and Hi-Lo-Park. I want to solve this so badly.....
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:11am
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7020 was avialable with power director (two buttons on floor) or powershift just not produced until 78' and no it would be different than those other models you listed should all use a converter the AC does not
------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:14am
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A caveat team.. we lost everything a year or two later. Everything. The dealership took every plow, disc, cultivator because the Deutz trade-in wasn't worth enough or some crap.. So, we may have had a larger tractor with 7020 sheet metal...Dad worked so hard, but was just too trusting... |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:56am
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 10:56am
| VOILA...four "Hipper".. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:00am
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Here's another head scratcher. the same man who had the hipper on a AC 190, one day had an implement that was two rows of working parts. First row were a series of vertical teeth shaped like cotton picker teeth, that rotated on 360' on the vertical plane..this implement was 4 or 6 rows wide... then a leveler? roller basket or horizontal rotating blades like a do-all... Ever see or heard of this?
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:39am
Lonn, no black belly PD tractor had a shifter on the floor. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:41am
| 1970s, NO ONE on this post said a 7020 was powershift only. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:42am
| Nobody is telling you 7020's only come with a powershift. They are telling you that the power director 7020's do not have a floor shifter. The 5 speed and R shifter that used to be on the floor was replaced with a t-handle shifter placed directly beside the hi lo park shifter, in the same console area. Still has the 2 buttons on the floor. Powershifts do not have the 2 floor buttons. |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 11:52am
This is a 7020 PD shifter. http://limaohio.craigslist.org/grd/5616850635.html" rel="nofollow - http://limaohio.craigslist.org/grd/5616850635.html |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 12:06pm
| I had a customer with a 7020 that was used in a feed lot operation. Perhaps the correct word is abused. He was constantly having trouble with the power director tee handle gear shifter getting out of adjustment. I finally removed the transmission top and replaced it with a floor shifted one from a 7040 salvage unit. It made it much more of a positive shift rather than going through a cable and linkage. This same tractor also got the range lever removed and I made a lever to go directly onto the lever coming out of the rear end housing. I cut a pattern in the floor board to match the high, low, park movement. Worked good, no more expensive cables to get out of adjustment. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 12:09pm
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To Jordan and Lonn.. Nope..nothing like mine...I would remember the t-handle. Ours had a handle Low(turtle) back - High (rabbit) forward, and park..(dead roach?_ This is really screwy...I believe you guys, but I know what I Had...maybe I can find a photo.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 12:22pm
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It would be cool if this were some sort of prototype, but the shady dealer practices tell me otherwise. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: albatros_3
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:03pm
| I like a good mystery and this one has some building suspense. Was the tractor a cab or an open station? |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:08pm
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I haven't seen this much interest in belly color since "I Dream of Jeannie" premiered!
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:10pm
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:13pm
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:20pm
Here's what I and my brother have  ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:26pm
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Four Post open ROPS....Turn signals and flashers in a white roof, fore and aft. I love that tractor.
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:28pm
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Those are really sweet. When the came and got the 7020, heheh, they for the, remember these...Jack screws...those long bolts that you use to pull / push the outer dual off.... |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 2:29pm
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Intrepretation: when they came for the tractor, they forgot the jack screws....
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 6:09pm
That would probably have been a Rotara, not sure on the spelling. It has forks that rotated back and forth then a rolling basket. Ran off the pto, and was 3 point mounted. Should have been red in color. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 6:10pm
Must have had cast duals. Pusher bolts pushed the wedges off the axial. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2016 at 6:32pm
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A friend of mine bought a 7050 new, and not too long afterwards, he was getting sick of the (what he called ugly) maroon paint, so he painted it black. Low and behold, a few years later, A-C began painting the bellies black instead of maroon! That might be the case here....Of course, since the 7020 wasn't out in 1976....I don't know... Pics would be great! I am also leaning toward a 7040 transmission in a 7020.
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Posted By: GM Guy
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2016 at 1:35am
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I am going to guess that the tractor was a 1976 Allis 7040 maroon belly, or a 7060. Also, the implement discussed sounds like a Lely Roterra? Or a Lilliston Rolling Cultivator? google search each and report back which one it is. Keep digging for photos! ------------- Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine. If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help. |
Posted By: Dkienzle
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2016 at 8:59pm
Did yours have flashers in the roof like lons pictures? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2016 at 9:48pm
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Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 10:45am
| 1970s, did you have the 1066 and 70-whatever at the same time? If the 1066 didn't pull your disk, a 7020 would not have been an upgrade hp wise. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 12:25pm
| Closer to the Lely Rotera the lillian rolling cultivator. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 6:41pm
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Early 1066 tractors were lower horse powered than 7020 but not by much. maybe 10 hp lower.
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Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 7:01pm
| sometimes we don't remember what things were exactly....I have a 8070 now and my cousins dad bought a new 8030 back in the day.My cousin keeps referring to the 8070 they used to have.....but he is a duffuss |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 8:19pm
| The top of the ROPS, was it metal, or fiberglass? |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 8:46pm
| The "1066" was actually the Deutz 100 06, not IH 1066. I apologize if In mislead anyone. The Deutz probably could out pull most tractors of v equitable HP, but with single drives, traction loss was the biggest failure. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 8:46pm
| Fiber glass |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 9:12pm
| You got me. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2016 at 10:39pm
| 7030 maybe? Do you remember if the engine had an intercooler on it and if filled the engine compartment when looking at it with the side panels on? The 7020 has a 301 with an intercooler and you can see daylight over the top of the engine where as a 7030 or larger was a 426 cu. and you couldn't see over that engine. How about the idiot lights on the dash....6 small round lights or a plastic 2 by 3 piece cluster? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 7:42am
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Now you are just gonna have to try and find pics. And as I said before, we all love pics. I think all non-cab, ROPS models, be it maroon belly or black, had a fiberglass top with the flasher lights in the top. All cabbed 7030 and 7050 had the fiber glass top. I think all later cabbed models had a metal top. Unsure about the very early 7040, 7060, 7080 as far as cab tops go. There is a 7040 on tractor house with the flashers in the cab top on front. I think I have sales brochures showing some 7040/7060 models with flashers in cab top but parts book only shows metal top parts number for cabbed models. All ROPS non-cab show part number for fiber glass top. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Dkienzle
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 2:35pm
| I wonder if he would remember what side of the tractor the starter was on. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 2:48pm
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I don't think so, although interested in tractors, I didn't know much about them... like, intercoolers, I knew what a turbo was, but which side a starter was on....don't think so.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 2:52pm
| Which side the engine oil filters were on?? |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 3:11pm
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Not saying it happened, but when did Allis introduce 7030 and the 7020, because I wonder if we got a re-sklinned 7030 to 7020 and not a 7020...Was the 7030 maroon bellied? Also, why did Allis introduce the 7000 series like they did... I always thought the sequence was 7000,7010,7020,7030,7040,7050,7060,7080... but I gleaned that the sequence was more(1973-1974) 7030-7050,(1975-1979)7000-7040,,('74-1981)7060,(1978-1981)7020 -7045-7080. Could someone explain.
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 3:14pm
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sequence wise you are correct but they were not all released at the same time and some models were replaced by others ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 3:29pm
| They made it as confusion as hades in winter... |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 3:56pm
| Whew. Glad you guys got the dust settled. Sure stirred up my allergies. LOL |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 5:20pm
7030/7050 = January 1973 thru sometime in 1974, 7040/7060/7080 maroon belly = 1974 thru 77 7000 maroon = 1975 thru 1978 7020/7045/7060/7080 black belly = 1977-81 7000 black belly 1978 thru 1979 7010 black belly = 1979 thru 81 At least that is what I think is right. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 7:12pm
Ddddddddamn right! ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2016 at 8:39pm
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A couple of my observations. I consider all 7030 & 7050 to be 1973 or 1974. Only 1973 models had the black face cab. These tractors had a plastic roof with the flashers in them. I call the first year 7040-7060-7080s 1975 models. They still used the plastic roof. 1976 was the first metal roof. I think that 1976 was also the first power shift.1977 models had a different dash, rectangular, electronic idiot lights instead of the six individual round lights. They had a much larger power shift filter also. 1978 was the first black belly. 7020-7045-7060-7080. They had the accousta cab 2,larger steps, but still used a steel fuel tank. The gear shift lever was moved to the side in 1978 on the power directors. 1979s went to a plastic fuel tank. 1981s used the Bosch injectors. The straight 7000 were 1976 & 1977 maroon belly with a dry clutch. 1978 7000 was black belly and used the first speed of the power director as an inching clutch. The last year of the 7000,those tractors used a larger muffler, like the larger framed tractors. The earlier ones just used a round muffler like a 200. The 7010 took the place of the 7000 in 1980 as I recall. I consider 1982 to be the first year of the 8000s. These are just for my reference. Actual dates when the models were introduced may be different from what I perceive them to be. Many other improvements and updates were added thru the years and did not necessarily correspond to any specific years model. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2016 at 5:52am
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I have my mom and sister looking, or hope to..my dad needs mom's help alot. I know I have 8mm movies of our Deutz and Massey, I hope to have at least a photo of the 7020... Guys, I really appreciate all the responses to this conun
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2016 at 6:39am
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8000 series had build dates in December 1981 I believe. They are considered 1982 models I suppose. I always go by the build date myself to determine year of tractor. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: wiltthom
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 10:39am
| This was a robbery turned murder by two dope heads. The woman used to work for him at the dealership. Don't post "what you heard". |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 1:43pm
 You joined to make a comment on a thread over 2 years old? Must feel pretty strongly. I'm guessing your comment is regarding tbran's story? Which happened ~40 years ago??? I think it's ok to post what you heard at this point. What else is there?
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Posted By: wiltthom
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 3:52pm
| Seems that way doesn’t it? It happened about 20 years ago if my math is correct. My point is, if you don’t know what happened, you shouldn’t speculate over what the locals said and post what you think happened. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2018 at 9:29pm
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Well, wow, sorry if I hit a nerve . Billy was a long time friend. Took several trips together, sold him parts after he went out of the AC business when no one else would. Some of his stories are almost legendary as told by his customers who from time to time visit and still tell us tales of Billy's endeavors. I 'called' on Billy as a AC rep. If you are a relative I meant no ill will , just relaying the legend how tough that ole Billy was. So sad others in his family fell victim to so much violence as well...but.... ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 6:50am
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Then I must have sat upon a tractor that was re-skinned. I remember 7020, because it never felt like it rolled off the tongue like JD'S 4020, IH 1486, or MF 1105... It could've been a 7040, it was a strong running beast. I remember the high/low on the right leg side console succinctly because of one of Dad"s pissed off kick the cat days, he was mad at me for running in the wrong range. He stopped me ran up and jumped and grabbed the lever and yanked forward into high range. |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 6:52am
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Appreciate it. I am gonna say it was a 7040 with wrong emblems. lol. Until I can find papers, which we will soon be going through, Dad died Feb 2017, and it is getting close for Mom to go through the disposal phase, I will agree there is something fishy about the fertilizer.
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 6:53am
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That's what we called a hipper, Someone's explanation about creating a flat top on the furrow is correct, kinda a trapezoidal ridge.
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Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 6:55am
| Open station or "ROPS" |
Posted By: 1970sFarmer
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 7:01am
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First tractor we had, was a Deutz 10006, apprx 100 pto. I would pull the disc we had 3 to 5 miles an hours easily, unless the soil was little to sandy, or wet, then we ran into a traction problem, running singles, with worn tire lugs. The A/C just kinda loped with the disc, didn't even slow down when cutting to disc axle depth, approx 12" deep. the "PICO" brand disc had largest disc I had ever saw beside the ones pulled behind dozers on virgin ground. You know the rough terrain style, offset disc.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2018 at 7:35am
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This is one of the more bizarre conversations I've ever seen. Downright funny in a way! 2 years and 4 months go by, someone joins the forum to specifically post about a murder mystery in Buford Pusser territory on a question about a tractor model from a confusing old memory. Then the OP comes on answering questions from before like no time went by at all. Wow, only on the internet!
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