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    Posted: 11 Jul 2016 at 2:45pm
In 1976, My father and I bought a 7020, new, from an Allis dealer in Somerville, TN,.
Up to now, I would've swore on a stack of bibles that is was orange and Maroon belly.
I haven't been able to find one with that color.  All I see are the "black Bellies".  Anyone help me out.
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No 7020's made in 1976 and no 7020's were maroon either......late 1977 is when the black belly was released.
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Thanks, but I know it was in 1976, it was the bicentennial and same hear my parents bought a house. , it probably was a '77 model, and I distinctly remember the maroon color...because when the black bellies came out, I commented to my father in law, who was a farmer, they changed colors...
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Well, then it wasn't a 7020. They weren't released until late 1977 and were considered 1978 models.
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My years might be off, but I know My tractors, and 7020 was the model. I will look for pictures.
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My 7020 and 7045 advertising literature is dated August of 1977 and I think they were shown to the Dealers for the first time in Sept or October in Las Vegas.
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Don't question the Dr.  Everything he has stated is true.  ALLLLL 7020s were black bellies from the factory!
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The dealer at Sommerville was Billy Myers.... I would not put anything by Billy.... that is Buford Pusser country! I took inventory down there in 75 or 76 and he had a nice crop of high value, if you know what I mean , growing in the gain bins of the F Gleaners in inventory!  Ron Ross was the TM and we were scared to death we would wind up in a mess there.  I had dinner with Billy in MKE in the winter of 76 . 7 course fine meal plus desert.  After taking the napkin from under his chin he stuffed a napkin in his glass and SPIT - he ate the whole meal with a chaw... After he died (was killed) we bought out his parts stock from an Aussie who was razing the property.  Seems Billy got in some deep stuff after AC, had something on the powers that be, and one night in the dealership shop (old slaughterhouse) where he had an apartment, a young lady decided to start screaming, and her x just happened to be out side and busted in and shot Billy in his bed.  Billy was tuff however and reached up under the headboard, brought out a double barrel sawed off 12 ga and 'defended' himself... the sheriff just happened to be there at 2 AM and some one called 911.. Billy was pronounced dead on arrival at 6 AM at the hospital .... they drove old Bill around ... til he expired???  Anyway that was the story the locals told us,,, we didn't stay after dark...IF Billy wanted to hang a set of 7020 side sheets on a 7000 or 7030,,,, no one would say a word....   :-)     His kids didn't fare to well in living long either...  and we saw where a tommygun was let loose inside a trailer in the back,,, strange red stains on the carpet... if anyone knows Larry Brannon who now works at Whayne supply in Hopkinsville, ask him about ole Billy .... 
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Originally posted by tbran tbran wrote:

The dealer at Sommerville was Billy Myers.... I would not put anything by Billy.... that is Buford Pusser country!
I took inventory down there in 75 or 76 and he had a nice crop of high value, if you know what I mean , growing in the gain bins of the F Gleaners in inventory!  Ron Ross was the TM and we were scared to death we would wind up in a mess there.  I had dinner with Billy in MKE in the winter of 76 . 7 course fine meal plus desert.  After taking the napkin from under his chin he stuffed a napkin in his glass and SPIT - he ate the whole meal with a chaw... After he died (was killed) we bought out his parts stock from an Aussie who was razing the property.  Seems Billy got in some deep stuff after AC, had something on the powers that be, and one night in the dealership shop (old slaughterhouse) where he had an apartment, a young lady decided to start screaming, and her x just happened to be out side and busted in and shot Billy in his bed.  Billy was tuff however and reached up under the headboard, brought out a double barrel sawed off 12 ga and 'defended' himself... the sheriff just happened to be there at 2 AM and some one called 911.. Billy was pronounced dead on arrival at 6 AM at the hospital .... they drove old Bill around ... til he expired???  Anyway that was the story the locals told us,,, we didn't stay after dark...IF Billy wanted to hang a set of 7020 side sheets on a 7000 or 7030,,,, no one would say a word....   :-)     His kids didn't fare to well in living long either...  and we saw where a tommygun was let loose inside a trailer in the back,,, strange red stains on the carpet... if anyone knows Larry Brannon who now works at Whayne supply in Hopkinsville, ask him about ole Billy .... 

Wow !!!!!
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That sounds like a good movie to make tbran !,better get that story to a script writer fasst ,id love to see it.
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Hey, Tbran...
Somerville was close to Pusser country. Funny thing is, we moved from Somerville, Fayette Cty, to McNairy / Hardin County, which unmistakenly, WAS Pusser country. Buford's home was in Adamsville, TN> His museum is there. 
 The name Myers rings a solid bell.  I have got to find the answer to this. I remember the smell of the engine, the first time we fired her up after unloading it.  My dad sitting high in the four post ROPS. The spool of the turbo...looking at MAROON>...

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Even if they'd hung other sheet metal or decals on a tractor in 1976, how would they have known a 7020 was going to be introduced in late 1977? You sure you got your year right 1970sFarmer? I'm betting you're off a year or so.
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Was there a shifter on the floor between your legs?
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I've shared a story about a local Deere dealer before where they buried a new combine and tractor in a shed of corn so mother Deere couldn't locate them and never did. Deere's paper work in the early 80's was sloppy enough that the dealer got by with it but the dealership contract was pulled right quick. They would also use new tractors on their own farm but disconnect the hour meters and then touch them up and sell as new or as demonstrators. Deere came out to spot check once as they were suspicious of things and were told certain pieces of equipment were out on lease but when Deere visited the farmers whose name were on the leases the farmers didn't know what they were talking about. Needless to say, once it all came out, stuff hit the fan and the dealership went bust. No one went to jail or even fined as, like said before, paper work was lax. Now it's an independent repair shop run by someone else for the past 30 plus years.
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Hey, Jordan.
I remember a Floor shifter, Low/High on the right console, and low / high buttons in the left floor paneL. Can't forget those, they would pop loudly, when slowing when driving on the road, field to field..Also, I remember the throttle being backwards. Our other tractors you pulled the throttle lever toward you / downward to accelerate. The 7020 you pushed forward...
I could be off by a year...Geez, we are talking 40 years ago now. I am going to see if we have any family photos.
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No 7020 had a floor shifting stick.
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Doesn't matter how many years you are off. If it had a shifter on the floor it definitely was a maroon belly and definitely was NOT a 7020.
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and why would it not have a floor gear lever...
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/2/0/204-allis-chalmers-7020-transmission.html
 Not being snarky, but Jordan, Lonn...what is your background on these units.
I sat the seat for many hours. 
I remember a 5 or six speed main box, (my dad called it that), high - low range lever on the right and buttons in the floor. The above website list, second option listed, the transmission I remember.
And please remember, I can't have it confused with our other tractors. We started with a MAssey 165, Deutz 100 06, remember this one had 18 speeds. and a "Creeper"..I operated a time or two, a 1105 MF, a 7600 or 7700 Ford, and once a 1066 IH. Tranny setups nothing like the 7020.

I have got to stand on this one... I will find information at my parents, and if I am wrong...I will lament.

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Jordan, 
If not a 7020 Maroon, then what....
Dad wanted the '20 because we didn't have anything larger enough to pull with the AC>
We needed something to really shag a PICO 12.5' breaking disc, it was heavy...24" scallop disc...it would cut wood...
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How many decades has it been since you spent time in the seat? Our 'background,' evidently more than yours. 7020 was black belly ONLY. NO black belly tractor had a shift lever on the floor.

Where in your link does it mention a floor shifter?
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You didn't answer the question. What is your experience, and back ground?
the website stated.
Five gears in two ranges (slow/fast) with two-range power shift. Power shift controlled by foot buttons.
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7020 gear shifts were not on the floor, they were located in the side console on the right side of the seat.
For maroon belly tractors produced in 1976, your choices are ... 7000, 7040, 7060 and 7080.
'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080
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I read the website, high low foot buttons are not a floor mounted shifter, you mentioned the buttons yourself.

Since you must know, I've used and studied AC tractors all my life. Why are you not comprehending what others are telling you?

7000, 7030, 7040, 7050, 7060, and 7080 were the only ones available in maroon.
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Also, I have no idea what a Pico disk is, the hp it takes to pull one, or why one would want to 'shag' with it.
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My back ground is I worked at an AC shop a few years. I have collected tons of sales brochures. Have sat in and ran several different models and have studied Allis since I was a teen. The 7020 20 Speed gear shift was in the side console next to the range shift. A Chrome T-handle was the gear shift ON THE SIDE CONSOLE. It retains the 2 speed buttons on the floor and the range shift on the side console. That is the PD model. The PS model had the range and PS shift on the side console also. Those are facts.

Nobody wants to be mean but you come off new here trying to tell us that we don't know what we are talking about.


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Sounds like one of the many thousands of 7040 Power Director tractors that were sold from very late 1974 thru most of 1977.   Five-speed floor shift with HIGH-LOW-PARK on the right side and two power shift buttons on the floor, with maroon chassis paint UNLESS it was painted over to black, but why would any Dealer have done that in 1976 ?? the black chassis paint scheme hadn't been conceived yet.
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Dr. Allis, 
Thank you. It did indeed have HIGH-LOW-PARK CONSOLE...You named everything I see in my mind's eye...
Look, guys. I am 56, going through some , and trying to get back to some years that were pretty good. I am just trying to rebuild my memory. or re-live a past..I don't know.

I do know, you are right, and I am right....You have longevity, I have memories. I have memories of being broke, and a Dad that was mad. The only solace I have is the tractors.
I love sitting on them, the sound, the feel under my seat, the smell of diesel exhaust in the cool of the morning, and late at night.

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to find peace... if you are offended, Please forgive me..not my intention. 
Someone posted the name of the dealership, Myers, and that really rang out.  I do remember it was the "new" style of tractor. I remember the 190 with a hipper on it at the dealership.   Just trying to find answers, not arguements...If you all want, I will just leave...

Also, PICO was Popularville Implement Company, Popularville MS..." basically a heavy, breaking disc for new or rough terrain
shag" the disc is west tennesse saying, meaning to pull an implement at a rapid, but controllable pace in which to cover the most ground.  
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a lot of highway construction companies use disks like that
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What's a hipper? 
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Lonn,
It is an implement that creates furrows to plant directly on top of.
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