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    Posted: 13 Dec 2018 at 5:49pm
Wondering if I can get some advice on a girdle for a 301. What rpm's and hp should a guy think about putting one on.
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I guess it depends on what all you have bolted on but I can’t tell you at what the point you will need one but after the bottom comes out I can tell you, that you needed one. to do it right you need to take and cut the main caps off flat and make spacers to fit between the cap and bottom side on the girdle. Leave a few thousands between the oil pan rail and bottom side on the girdle to keep a little extra clamping force and room for silicone. I use grade 8 cat bolts threw the girdle, spacers, caps and in the block. After that’s all done it needs or should be line bored. If you don’t cut the caps off you can just use spacers out of round stock but that’s twice as much machine time. Or you can make Billit caps that are longer/ One piece to take up the room. All said and done with the spacers and line boreded I say you be just under or around 2k with the girdle and bolts line bored and read to build
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The 301 will take a lot before you actually NEED a girdle.  I think we got by on a diesel up to 800 HP with twin chargers before we added it to the bottom end, and only because we were going up towards the 1200 HP range in the future. We never experienced any type of a failure. Always have used 15W-40 oil with no additives of any kind. The newer the block and crank, the better, as strength was improving with each generation of blocks/cranks.  You leave a lot to be asked here. Gas or diesel??  What size turbo or HP/RPM are you dealing with ??
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Thank you for 5he input. It's a diesel. Thinking of up grading to an a-pump. Goal is 3600-4000 rpms. Running a HX40 currently.
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As long as your main caps fit the block OK, I wouldn't do a girdle for what you are doing. I'd be a lot more concerned about bending a stock (non-heat treated) connecting rod.

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I do have hardened rods. FPV. Also head work, pistons cut, fire ringed and hardened push rods. Cam work as well. All by FPV.
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FVP I mean.
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Are you able to run an intercooler?
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Yes have frozen boost ice over air.
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Last year ran 51psi exh 48 psi boost.
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Are you limited to a turbo size?
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Nope, no limits for turbo.
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No need for girdle , had twins over 1000 hp 100 lbs boost no girdle never a problem ! Rods are a must . We also drilled and tapped the outside of block made the cam pressure lubed great investment seem to “free” up the motor ! Also had squirters for Pistons two .
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What kind of oil pump did you run for that?
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The front drive ac oill pump you need the wide crank gear for it , provided more than enough oil pressure for all of it!
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So we oiled crank , pressure lubed cam and two turbos off that ac oil pump you need the oil pan to go with and the wide crank gear . I think I have all of those still here , might be interestedi in selling , I used the 200 twin oil filter setup to , t d off the back of it for feed to all that stuff .
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To have the "wide" crankshaft gear, you must have a newer crankshaft for it to fit. You cannot install a wide gear on an old crankshaft.
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I have a crank with one on it to , also have a gas crank with shorter stroke done for one also will sell cheap no longer need lol
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Upgrade the turbo to like s300 or s366 with tight exhaust theirs way more potential that the hx40 !
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So I have the "older" 301. A 65. Will your crank fit on my motor with out alot of machine work?
Is it a simple swap? Does it come with a dampener pulley. I'm being told that's my next worry.
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you will have a long term issue as yo are about to put hardened gears running on non hardened gear in the front.  Find a say, 6000, 7000, or 200 AC tractor engine...as gear donors ..
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Putting a newer wide gear crank drive oil pan in a older block is the question? The front timing cover backing plate needs some material removed. And an adapter for the pump to attach to and has to be right to get your gear to gear back lash.and oil pan will have to be changed or modified. As well
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AS STATED -  I would find a 200 , 7000 or 7020 block and front cover depending on whether you are running a hyd pump or not...  back when,,,, we ran twin chargers with the old bayonet pump - had to add an oil lube jet to the gear drive on the cam gear/pump gear to prevent wear as we noticed some wear occurring.  A customer we helped with a gas had the same issue.   We did not run piston cooling.  The idea of pressurizing the cam is a good idea especially on the front cam brg.     
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I had one twin-turbo setup that we ran the turbo drain right in on top of those gears thru the tach drive/ignition distributer hole in the block. We always ran 15W-40 oil and didn't have any gear wear issues BUT, I could see it if using straight 40 wt oil and not having extra lube added to the gears.
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Do the 426's have pressurized cam bearings?
2-8050 1-7080 6080 D-19 modelE & A 7040   R50       
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YES.
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Would any body know of an available A-pump for a 301?
Also I'm being told an a-pump is more realistic for a 301? Vs p-pump?
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One wen your trying to make it on the block
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Either an "A" pump or a "P" pump will require some grinding on the block and using three mounting bolts instead of four. And if you use a "P" pump be sure to make a mounting bracket to secure/support the rear of that long heavy pump.

Edited by DrAllis - 05 Jan 2019 at 8:25am
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