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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote klinemar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Dec 2022 at 7:55pm
The M18 was not well received in Italy. Then when the terrain is considered one can see why. Not much room to shoot and scoot in the Mountains or Hills. Where the M18 really shined was in France and the Bulge where they preyed on Panther's by outmanuvering them and firing into their side where the armor was weak. The M18 crews suffered during the Bulge and afterwards with the open top turret and winter weather. But the crews loved them as they would run faster than a scared cat! And the turret was the fastest turning of any armored vehicle in WW2!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DaveKamp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2022 at 7:12am
Tank destroyers are special-purpose machines... think of them more as a mobile tank gun on a self-propelled high-speed mount.  In order to do what they do, they have to be fast and maneuverable, hit hard, and get away, and in order to accomplish that, they HAVE to be light.  The catch is, no matter how quiet it might be, it's basically impossible for a tracked machine to 'sneak up' on anything, anywhere, when there's infantry spread out around the countryside, so the only way to be successful, is to be faster, which inherently means, be lighter... more power-to-weight.  In the European theatre, being light enough to zip across risky bridges and ford through streams was a big advantage when it came to 'zoom and boom' antitank operations, the M18's light weight, Christie chassis, automatic transmission, and gun, it had the zoom, and the boom.

The open top, however, gave it the same character as a tank with the hatch open-  a convenient disposal receptacle for pinless hand-grenades, and when firing from an elevated position, a nice rattle-can for recently-expended projectile cartridges.

It offered substantially better mobility, and protection though, to a PAK-88... which Germany was pulling around with HORSES.  The M18 could roar off landing craft, up the beaches, and down the roads to get where the enemy's armored mammoths were, surround them, and light them up.

Neither the M4, nor the M18 were 'heavy tanks', or even 'battle tanks'.  The M4 was a multipurpose platform which happened to be perfect for the infantry support role.  Tank-on-tank battles, particularly against the Wermacht's heavy tanks, it was terribly vulnerable, but realize, it came to the European continent ON A SHIP, and it was either driven through the surf (or in the case of a brave, yet unfortunate many) SWAM to shore with a duplex amphibious drive) to help clear out a path and silence whatever guns it could, to protect our soldiers.

If the Wehrmacht had to bring their tanks to the battlefield on a SHIP, they would NOT have had anything over 60,000lbs.

In the end, it was man-carried antiarmor weapons, and the brave men that brought them to bear, that became the final word on the battlefield.

It was the factories, and the resource management that determined who would effectively bring an end to the war.
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Combined Arms that the United States used in WW2 has not been given credit by some Historians and Writers.
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Russia is trying to play the Numbers game as we did in WWII, for every Panzer destroyed we lost four M4 Shermans or M18s, they could not manage the attrition while we produced Thousands of these per month, neither can Russia today.  With Russia, the Ukrainians are resurrecting their abandoned machines and using the partially destroyed Russian machines for parts to do so.  

THE Scary is the Russian Generals AND Putt One are stating ALL they have left is Nukes, THAT is NOT a Choice.
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