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spencefarm 
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 6:49am |
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So I'm looking at a white 5100 8 row wide with liquid fertilizer. What horse power would I need to handle that?
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Tbone95
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:10am |
Hills? FWA? Other tough going? Fertilizer is heavy... They say 10-15 HP per row, plus or minus all the variables everyone else will mention, there's tons of them. What do you pull now, with what? And base your judgment from that starting point. I would think you would want roughly 100 HP and be comfortable. Maybe 90 minimum. Based on my conditions.
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spencefarm
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:14am |
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No hills. We don't have FWA on anything. I have a 7060 but I wasn't sure if that would be overkill...?
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Tbone95
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:29am |
That would be overkill  But it beats buying a tractor in my business!
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Tbone95
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:30am |
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I pull an 8 row with fertilizer. I have some steep hills, wet spots, etc. I pull it with a 7045 and it's overkill. But it's a nice comfortable job and the planter doesn't push the tractor around at all.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:31am |
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Or I have a d17... I figure that's too small...
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Tbone95
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 7:32am |
 spencefarm wrote:
Or I have a d17... I figure that's too small... |
You could pull it with that........ ......around the yard with it raised!  
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ryan(IN)
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 8:49am |
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We used to pull an 8 row 7000 end transport with fert with our 190XTIII. It handled it fine. Pull a white 6180 12 row with the 7040 and in the hills you know it's there. 8 row 5100 would have pulled just as easy on the 190.
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1984 8070 FWA,1979 7060,1975 7040,1971 190,1960 D-17D,1957 D-14, 196? D-19G, 1975 5040,1971? 160,1994 R62
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Tbone95
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 9:30am |
Tractor data says 190XT ~93PTO horse, ~79 drawbar. The language I grew up speaking, you rated tractors PTO horse, so when I recommended 90, that's what I meant. So yep, I'd think a 190XT would be fine. For me in my conditions, it's about as small as I would try, especially with no FWA.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 12:01pm |
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We used to pull a 6 row JD 7000 with a 185, a friend of ours pulls an 8 row 7000 with their 180. So its doable with 75 hp, but 90 hp is probably better, 135 hp would be overkill. We pull a 12 row White with an 8010 FWA, no duals, the tractor handles it just fine on our rolling ground.
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 1:04pm |
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A lot less can go wrong by having too big of a tractor, than having too small of a tractor. Darrel
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 3:23pm |
darrel in ND wrote:
A lot less can go wrong by having too big of a tractor, than having too small of a tractor. Darrel |
Tell me about it! Lol One look at my signature line will tell you I know that first hand...
Edited by CrestonM - 29 Sep 2017 at 3:25pm
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 4:11pm |
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I pulled a 6 row Cyclo 400 with my 35 hp MF-135 years ago. It wasn't a good planter, tended to skip and bunch seed. I noticed that the 135 wasn't a complete master, that sometimes when turning with the planter lifted the rear wheels of the tractor slid sideways.
Then I went to a JD 7000 4 row (wide converted to narrow) and the MF-135 pulled it fine full tillage or notill throttled down to 1600 RPM and shifted up to move 4.5 mph. When planting corn that included my three point sprayer with a 65 gallon liquid tank putting 32% along side the row with a plow coulter. The planter has Dawn Trash Whippers too for no till. I'd think it might pull an 8 row shifted down a couple gears and with the throttle full open. Years before when I plowed with the 135, I found that running the main jet a little on the rich side that it pulled the plow better. Just rich enough to put out a bit of gray smoke from the exhaust.
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Posted: 29 Sep 2017 at 4:32pm |
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Years ago, we started out pulling a CaseIH 900 8 row wide planter w/fertilizer, with a 7010, even with duals, it was a bit much. The following year, we added an intercooler, and had the injector rebuilt to 7020 specs, pulled it just fine then.
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shameless dude
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Posted: 30 Sep 2017 at 1:01am |
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if you have a tractor, use it, if you wanna go buy one, a 180/185/190 should be fine with it. I used an 8-row 3-pt planter on my 180 for years and I had hills!
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