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ARCHIE IN KY
Bronze Level Joined: 03 Jan 2010 Location: Jackson KY Points: 3 |
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Putting two new tires on my 160. They are 14.9 by 28. Any one used beet ? How mush does it cost? where can you get it? Thanks Archie
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Gary in da UP
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EUP of Mi. Points: 1885 |
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If you are installing new tubes and your rims are smooth I would use CaCl.
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LouSWPA
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 24413 |
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used antifreeze. not as heavy as CaCl, but free and less corrosive. nothing wrong with CaCl if proper care is taken, but antifreeze is free
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29789 |
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Don't let your dog lick the tires when there's a leak if you use antifreeze. I was going to use used antifreeze and even got about five or six 55 gal drums of it but then decided to use CaCl.
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RickUP
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 803 |
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Rims will last a long time with CaCL, with tubes of course. Beet juice is about 80% extra when I priced it. The question is how old are you, or how long will you be using the tractor. CaCL could last many years, but the year it leaks is the year you loose the rim.
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millertire
Silver Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Wauseon OH Points: 152 |
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Miller Tire has discontinued using Rim Guard (beet juice). While it is non-corrosive, it has its disadvantages.
• Harder to pump in cold conditions • Solids tend to settle over time and can’t be pumped out of the storage tank • Cannot mix Rim Guard with other liquid ballast or it may foam • All hoses and couplers must be air tight or foaming will result • If you use too much air pressure during installation, it will foam. • If it foams, you need to wait for foam to settle before finishing filling tire. • It smells. Miller Tire now uses “windshield washer/antifreeze fluid” even though at 8.3 lb/gal it is lighter than chloride & Rim Guard at 10.7 lb/gal When filling tires, only fill to the top of rim. You need to leave an air cushion in the tire. You can put washer fluid in tubeless tires without tubes. Miller Tire sells the air/water adapter tool for filling tires. www.millertire.com |
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bryani289swmi
Silver Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dorr, MI Points: 491 |
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I had beet juice put in my Kubota, cost about 25% more then Cacl. I have had no issues in 6 years. My father in law had Cacl in a new MF and switched to beet juice. I figure with newer tractors the rims aren't nearly as heavy and will rust through faster if there is an issue with Cacl which is what happen to my father in laws tractor. I got the fun job of sandblastiing, netralizing, and paintiing the rims after each valve stem leaked. I was amazed how much was eaten away in a short time. I do have Cacl in the rest of my tractors, I would only switch if doing a restoration or possible getting new tires as it is fairly easy to find rims for the models I have.
Bryan
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Stan R
Orange Level Access Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Location: MA Points: 963 |
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You get a leak in a tire with CACL2, the tire goes flat and you repair it within a day or so. Steel does not rust away in that short of time with calcium. We've been running calcium in tires for decades and never replaced a rim due to calcium (or any other reasons) and have got a lot of of flats over the years (i.e. '64 D17). We've never experienced a small leak where it seeped for weeks or months un-noticed thereby causing rim failure. But when you do get a flat, rinse it off during repair. Yes, other liquids are less corrosive.
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Dave(inMA)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398 |
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The tires on my WD45 are filled with CaCl and both are looking punky along the rim edges about 1/3 the way around each tire. I'm trying to decide whether to repair or replace the rims. I have a potential donor rim that I can cut pieces out of to weld into the damaged rims. Guess it will depend on how much damage I find when I get the tires off the rims. But then there's the disposal issue.......
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823 |
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Dave, What disposal issue?
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Dave(inMA)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398 |
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Sorry - should have explained. I'm referring to the challenge of getting rid of the CaCl when I drain those tires. I understand that the solution will wipe out growth for years. But there are lots of stories out there, so maybe I'm misinformed. Am I correct?
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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TomYaz
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10325 |
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Seems to me no matter if I get a new tube/tire or not, CalCl ends up leaking somewhere...so I use antifreeze as well.
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kriscrash4x4
Bronze Level Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Location: home Points: 9 |
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i thought about using used antifreeze but how do you keep the antifreeze from eating the tube and turning it into mush? |
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CTuckerNWIL
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: NW Illinois Points: 22823 |
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Dave, when you drain your tires, anybody that has a gravel drive or lives on a gravel road will pay you for the stuff to dump on the road to keep the dust down. If you spray it on your gravel drive it will keep the dust down for a month or so and keep the weeds down for maybe a year.
The tire stores around here sell it for just such purposes. Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 14 Jun 2010 at 9:56pm |
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LouSWPA
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kriscrash4x4
Bronze Level Joined: 19 Dec 2009 Location: home Points: 9 |
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i did think about for awhile i wasent sure i wanted to take the chance on the synthetic rubber seals being the same as tube rubber, wasent sure how resistant they are to chemicals, i just didnt want to replace 2 tubes that i just replaced and the time to tear them down but if you have had used engine antifreeze in your wheels for awhile say for over a year or 2 then thats good news used engine antifreeze is cheap and easy to get.
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SHAMELESS
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EAST NE Points: 29486 |
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the fact that all tire dealers around here charge $75.00 to pump out (any) fluid and another $75.00 to pump the fluid back in after charging $35-$50 to fix the leak is why i quit using fluid in any of my tires. plus if you didn't have he same fluid that they had in their tanks, they wouldn't touch it.
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TomYaz
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: PA Points: 10325 |
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TexasAllis
Silver Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Texas Points: 396 |
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Antifreeze is all my dad and I have ever used. Too many mesquite trees around Texas to use anything else. Never had any problems with the tubes.
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David Maddux
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Points: 2524 |
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A friend of mine uses RV antifreeze. Dave.
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allisrutledge
Orange Level Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Location: SurgoinsvilleTN Points: 1357 |
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In east TN our coop is using 25-75 Methanol/water. This has worked great for us.No rust and cheaper than antifreeze.
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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Dick L
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Edon Ohio Points: 5087 |
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Thinking in Tennessee you might use moon shine. It wouldn't freeze and it would make a great dispenser.
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allisrutledge
Orange Level Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Location: SurgoinsvilleTN Points: 1357 |
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I can see the hired help sucking on the valvestems now. NO WAY HA HA
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Allis Chalmers still exist in my mind and barns
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Gerald J.
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Hamilton Co, IA Points: 5636 |
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Steel won't rust in a few days when CaCl leaks. WRONG! I had CaCl in my tires and a side wall crack pinched the tube while I was hauling a backhoe to the welding shop. Sprayed the tractor and me (inside tire wall), INSTANT RUST under the factory paint. So while the backhoe was being rebuilt, I shopped for and bought new tires and paid a nearby (to the welding shop) tire shop to pump out both rears and to supply new tubes and mount the tires I bought. No more CaCl for my tractor tires. NEVER again. The new tires plowed better without CaCl than the old tires did with.
I've since moved loader and backhoe from the MF-135 that really wasn't heavy enough for the MF-236 loader to my JD 4020 which is and doesn't have anything but air in the tires and I have some cast iron weights if the 4020 needed more weight. Cast iron weights may rust on their own, but they won't rust the rest of the tractor. Gerald J. |
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WEL(TN)
Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: East Central IN Points: 211 |
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Speaking of moonshine in Tennessee, They are making it, taxing it and selling it (legally) in a brewery in Gatlinburg. The Yankees and other vacationers are going crazy over it. It is expensive and would not be cost effective to put in tractor tires.
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Kip-Utah
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Southern Utah Points: 874 |
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I'm glad to see that Miller's are using windshield washer fluid, as that's what we used on our last tractor with fluid. You can generally make a good buy on it this time of year. We rigged up a swamp cooler pump, set in a bucket & poured a gallon at a time in the bucket. It actually went fairly fast and now have a good replacement pump for the cooler when needed! Kip
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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!
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Dave(inMA)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398 |
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Uh, what's a "swamp cooler pump"? Thanks!
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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Kip-Utah
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Southern Utah Points: 874 |
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A "swamp cooler" is an evaporative cooler that either goes in a window opening or on top of your house. Because of the low humidity here in the Mountain West they work great and are real common. I know that they don't work so well with high humidity levels common to some other regions. The pump is just an inexpensive cetrifugal unit that circulates water to the evaporation pads. You can buy these pumps around here at any hardware store for around twenty bucks or less. Kip
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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!
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Dave(inMA)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2398 |
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Thanks, Kip!
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 31993 |
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Tire dealers here only offer methanol(W/S wash solution) It isn't colored and does not foam but is alcohol anti-freeze just like w/s wash is.
I have it in my 180 rears, they removed the CaCl and put this in as a replacement after we welded and ground and painted rusted rims. The alcohol evaporates when you get a leak so all that stays in the ground is water. The bigger issue was disposal of the CaCl, in this area it is considered hazmat, it has to be disposed of b a licensed hauler, for gravel they are using magnesium chloride and it seems to be less toxic to the ditches. Many of the cement companies will mix and spread it here. |
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