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    Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 4:22pm
Whats a good way to get the bottom pin out that holds the brakes on a WD45? Have one that has the pin stuck in it.
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Remove top cover and best you can blow out all the 60 years of mouse nests. put on FULL leathers so you don't get burnt. Using cutting tourch working thru the mouse access hole directly under brake drum cut about 1/2" out of the pin. Take punch and drive pin in 1/2" and cut again. Repeat until outside half of pin is all gone. Inner piece will usually come right out with vice grips.   Be careful not to cut the ears of the brake shoes. You can make a new pin from 3/4" cold rolled steel. Also the rod from the shoes to the pedal can often twist off but can be fixed when you get everything on the bench by drilling and tapping   (3/8") A brake job on one of these can easily be the most difficult job you will ever do on a WD / WD45. Good luck and keep us posted.   ps Do this job outside as there will be lots of smoke from the mouse nests.
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Follow up;   Others will tell you to soak the pin with this or that,I just assumed you already tried that. I also try the weasel pixx but after a day or two I just get the tourch out and get the job done !!
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One note, if you have to cut the pin be careful when you drive the pin in that it doesn't bind on the hole in the shoe. I didn't and it bent the bottom of my shoe and ended up the shoe off too.
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I use a plasma cutter on the pin more precise cut and less damage to the brake shoe.....
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There is room under the axle housing to drill and tap the end of the pin. You can do this after grinding the case hardening off, less than 1/16" thick. Then use a socket or piece of pipe that fits over the brake pin, a grade 8 bolt or stud, I use 3/8-24 thread, washers, and pull the pin out. Drill and tap new pins before installing them. Protect threads with short capscrew and grease in hole and threads. Put grease or anti-seize on brake pins and in inner brake pin hole. You or someone else will think you were pretty smart the next time a brake job needs to be done if you do this. 
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I just went through this over the last 2 days

Left side took about two hours. I loosened the axle housing to break free the outer portion of the pin. The pin was still stuck to the brake enclosures, I could drive it in and out a bit but it would not free up. Used a propane torch to heat up the ears of the enclosures and while twisting with vise grips it came loose. Did a lot of twisting and pulling but it came out. Destroyed the retaining head on the pin.

Right side took about 2 hours also. I loosened the axle housing the break free the outer portion. This side the brake enclosures were free so I thought it would be easy. Wrong. Would not budge. I welded a 1/2" grade 8 fine thread bolt to the pin head and was able to use a socket as a base and turn the nut to pull out the pin about 1/2" then it stopped. I knocked it back in, lubed it up and pulled it back out the same 1/2" till my weld broke. Tried it again with same results. Then I welded a large washer on and then a large nut figuring that would give me leverage to twist it out. Immediately broke off the pin head.
I was stumped, I have no cutting torch. Thought about tapping and threading it but that is hard to do with hand drill. About gave up but when heading to bed I thought about cutting a notch in the pin through the inspection port and using a punch to drive it out. So I used a dremel to do this and whacked it good a few times, no movement. I then took my torch and applied heat to the casting around the outer hole for 20 minutes. Hit the punch again and it moved. Took about 10 minutes of pounding until it came out enough to get vise grips on it and was able to twist it good for a bit. About destroyed my vise grips beating on them to drive the pin out the rest of the way. Not sure why that side was so hard.
The left side, the entire axle housing was one big mouse nest.

Yes my way took a long time but I was happy with myself that I was able to get it done without a torch and destroying anything else.
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If you do not have a cutting torch or a way to cut the pin then you must be patient.  Repeated heating with a hand held map gas torch and cooling down with lots of your favorite concocktion.  I also used a small pipe wrench which helped rocking the pin back and forth.  Two hours on one side and a week on the other.
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Originally posted by Charlie175 Charlie175 wrote:

Then I welded a large washer on and then a large nut figuring that would give me leverage to twist it out. Immediately broke off the pin head.


You may have hardened the pin buy heating, if it cooled down fast enough. Hard don't always mean better cause without tempering, a hard piece will break easier. If you heat any carbon steel up and keep some heat on it so it cools slow or insulate it, to slow cooling, you can soften it. All this depends on the temperature to which it was heated Geek


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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

 
You may have hardened the pin buy heating, if it cooled down fast enough. Hard don't always mean better cause without tempering, a hard piece will break easier. If you heat any carbon steel up and keep some heat on it so it cools slow or insulate it, to slow cooling, you can soften it. All this depends on the temperature to which it was heated Geek

It distressed me when it happened as I had just knocked the pin back into it's most recessed position as I assumed it was the best spot to try and twist it. Ouch 

Honestly I don't think this was a "poor" design as some have noted, If serviced regularly, even every few years, the pin would not freeze in place.
Being out in the elements for 30 years would freeze about any bolt like that. 
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Thanks guys for all your information. If it wasn't for this forum a lot of knowledge would not be put out for others to know and would eventually be lost.

As for the story on the pins.I should have reworded my first post or told the story. A classmate in college who works a tactor repair shop said he hates working on allis since he couldn't get the pins out. So I told him they are easier to work on than most and I knew a place for info. I dont know if he had got them out yet but will let you guys know. Again thank you for the replies
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