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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 9:58pm |
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It's a LeRoi engine, maybe a distant cousin to WC,WD, 45, or Gleaner engine?????
So now that you know you have a LeRoi, ask around to find out if this model has a combustion chamber in the head. If it does, the head could be milled to increase compression. Where is Mitch on this thread?
Edited by CTuckerNWIL - 25 Apr 2011 at 10:01pm
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ashbrook
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 9:17pm |
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i would say the block is a gleaner E motor block. i got this from the picture of the cover you put on here. it covers where the fuel pump went in to to block. looks the same as mine and my cousins gleaner e motors.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:34pm |
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From the looks of your photos, it has a IH distributor and since you have a mag flange mt., that would have been on a WC/WD 201 engine. Since your Tractor s/n is less than 146607 that would also indicate a WD. Obviously you can tell if its a 45 by pulling a sparkplug and measuring the stroke. I can't explain the plate on the block. As for making it a puller, the head is the same, it has a "stock block" so it should be no problem.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:33pm |
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read that whole post you found. they talk about the rod length and different combustion chamber . with some work you may be able to fit an allis head and up the comp?
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 8:17pm |
OK Guys, I think I figured it out.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:21pm |
I can see down between the box that holds the headlights, and the back of the block, and nothing stamped there either.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:20pm |
There aren't any raised numbers anywhere around the governor.
One other thing, there is a large, about 1/2" set screw type of plug, uses an allen wrench, at the location to the rear of the carb, where these other photos show the serial number.
I guess it must have something to do with the original fuel pump.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:18pm |
It looked like a IHC Farmall setup and thats OK, the Leroy engine is a good deal too, they are just a different engine than the WD45 used. Im not up on them. Let us know.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:15pm |
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Sorry, I didn't see Don's post. I have no idea what the bolt size would indicate.
A different head won't get you anything as far as power unless you don't have good air flow and buy some ported and polished thing. If you want to compete with the big boys, cubic inches is the only real answer. You can spend a lot of money getting up around 400 cubic inches out of that engine and may still not compete.
I know a couple guys running stock RPM on MM UB's that dyno 150HP. The block looks all original from the outside but you won't believe the work that has been done on the inside. They are both more than double the cubic inches of the original block.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:11pm |
I'll look for those markings Don.
The distributor is supposedly off something Farmall. Super B or something the guy said.So I know that isn't Allis original. I think the guy did it when he switched it over to 12 volt.
this Lerow engine, is it a bad engine?
What was it used in, tractors, industrials, ????
thank you for your comments Don!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:05pm |
Charle I'm thinking the same thang as you he's got a Lerow engine and the name as been removed to hid it. The governor/ distributor drive looks wrong,
like it's out of a M Farmall.
The 3/8" or 7/16" polts in the water pump thing was thinking it might be a "E" Gleaner engine but if it's got 3/8" bolts in the pump it's not a "E" engine.
One more place to look is on the right side of the block right below the gover drive see if there's three no's that are razed up like a 386 on there. Don
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 7:03pm |
too easy for you!
I'm the one here trying to figure out what mess I've got myself into.
I want as much power as possible, but not sure if I should locate a WD45 head and put on here or not.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:44pm |
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Use a 9/16 wrench to remove the bolts and a 3/8 tap to chase the threads. :) That was just too easy. LOL
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:42pm |
The waterpump bolts are 3/8" with 9/16" head.
What does that tell me?
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:39pm |
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The only other place Allis put serial number on this vintage was the early WC's without the starter. They were stamped on a pad on the back center of the block which would be covered kinda, by the starter. If your block doesn't have the push rod plate on the right side, it wouldn't be stamped there anyway.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:36pm |
Thats not the first one of them with out no's. with a fuel pump hole that is covered with a plate and no ser # this is not a Wd45 engine that came in the tractor new.
One more thing you can look at is the water pump mouting bolts are they 3/8" with a 9/16" head or 7/16" with a 5/8" head on them? Don
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:11pm |
Thanks Don (MO).
Mine has nothing there (figures!).
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 6:01pm |
This might help. On the left side of the engine right behind the carb is the engine ser #
like below. The top pic is a 226 out of a WD45 and the next pic is a 201 out of a WD. Don
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:59pm |
I thought that might be it, but there's nothing in that, so then I wasn't sure.
things that make me go Hmmm!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:15pm |
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Where it bolts to the clutch housing is referred to to as the rear flange.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:12pm |
Sorry CTuckerNWIL.I have looked the block over and over, and can't find anything saying "LeRoi", but
I don't understand what you are talking about as a "flange".
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:08pm |
 redline wrote:
So, if I understand you correctly, a 226 tall head on a 201 will increase compression? That is the combination on my WD, I replaced oversize pistons and sleeves with standard bore (because that is what I had) and used a D17 head, so I might have comparable performance to the oversize anyway? Hmmmm. Sometimes dumb luck is as good as good planning! |
It doesn't mater what head you have as far as compression ratios. They are both flat on the block side.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:04pm |
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Look on the rear flange on the left side, in fact look all the way across the rear flange. You might have a LeRoi block. I have seen a block like yours with a fuel pump and it said LeRoi on the rear flange.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:59pm |
The head could make a difference if it has dished pistons with the short head the compression will be lower. If I remember right the 201 was a combustion chamber in head design with flat top pistons where the 226 was comustion chamber in piston design with a flat surface on the head. So if some body put a 201 head on a 226 it would lower the compression.
There is no combustion chamber in either head, they are both flat.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:48pm |
 OK, I have no markings behind the carb area.
Here is the RS of my engine.
Here is the LS. 
Please disregard the special paint schemes the guy before me did.
So I definitely have no side plate.
I definitely don't have the taller head.
This engine also has the 2 port manifold, with no built in thermostat housing (therefore, no thermostat).
I can't find any kind of a serial number, and definitely no stamped numbers behind the carb's air inlet like on Mike's picture.
Any other guesses???
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:27pm |
Block serial number should be on the carb (left) side toward the rear. Mike 
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:23pm |
on my block, on the right side behind the oil filter, is 100-174.
On the left side, at a angle, is L3.
Do either of these numbers tell anything?
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:19pm |
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So, if I understand you correctly, a 226 tall head on a 201 will increase compression? That is the combination on my WD, I replaced oversize pistons and sleeves with standard bore (because that is what I had) and used a D17 head, so I might have comparable performance to the oversize anyway? Hmmmm. Sometimes dumb luck is as good as good planning!
Edited by redline - 25 Apr 2011 at 4:20pm
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If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:16pm |
I didn't know the engine had any numbers on it. The guy before me painted it with a brush, so I'll have to go over it in detail. Where would the s/n be on the engine?
The tractor serial number is 207-something. I only remember the first 3 numbers off hand.
I knew the 45 block had longer stroke, and different piston design, which makes me wonder if the 45 block would run ok with the WD head. That is also why I am still not sure what I have.
I'll try to find some engine numbers.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:11pm |
CTuckerNWIL wrote:
The engine with a plate on the side is a 201 WC-WD engine. The 45 engine did NOT have a plate. Why not tell us what the engine number (not the tractor number) is and then somebody night be able to tell you what the engine came out of.
The last WD's produced had the 201 engine(with a plate)with a curved shifter. I don't know when the break for he tall head was but the head differences wouldn't make any difference in power.
By the way what is the tractor serial number?
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The head could make a difference if it has dished pistons with the short head the compression will be lower. If I remember right the 201 was a combustion chamber in head design with flat top pistons where the 226 was comustion chamber in piston design with a flat surface on the head. So if some body put a 201 head on a 226 it would lower the compression.
Edited by Denis in MI - 25 Apr 2011 at 4:12pm
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