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Jtaylor
Bronze Level Joined: 11 Oct 2021 Location: Barrie, Ontario Points: 194 |
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Hello All,
I thought it would be easiest to start a new thread on my electronic power steering conversion for the WD and WD45 Tractors. I am currently restoring my 1953 WD in this thread: the thought was to keep this separated for future use and general info for the modification. The unit I will be using is as shown below. this one is particularly from a 2005 Chevrolet Equinox. this is not an electronic unit that makes a certain amount of turns before locking but rather a 12V torque generator that assists a worm gear internal to the unit once the torque sensors see shaft movement. it has unlimited turns left and right. perfect for these types of projects. This is the EPS Journey. Stay tuned for updates.
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Jtaylor
Bronze Level Joined: 11 Oct 2021 Location: Barrie, Ontario Points: 194 |
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The trouble spots to overcome to fit into these tractors:
I have purchased the following components: 5/8" coupler ( one needed, I bought 2 for trials) 3/4" keyed steering u-joint Go Kart Axle - Steps down from 1" to 7/8" to 3/4" keyed. tie rod boot for water seal on input to unit. 50A circuit breaker 10AWG wire (enough to go back to the battery box) Bruno Steering EPS controller (to trick the ECU into providing feedback) You will also need 3/16" (roughly 6"x6") plate steel and 2x2 or 1x1 angle iron (1 ft) to complete the fabrication. Since i am changing U-joint sizes, I had to adapt the steering shaft to 3/4" which involved shortening the original shaft by about 5.625" to fit this adapter. I Used the Go-Kart axle for this, Cut the threads off the end and cut the correct length off the shaft. Next will be to weld it to the steering shaft for a perfect fit length wise, and a nice tapered step down to 3/4" for the new u-joint. Edited by Jtaylor - 20 Apr 2022 at 7:02am |
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Jtaylor
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B26240
Orange Level Joined: 21 Nov 2009 Location: mn Points: 3860 |
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Seems like the way to go, I have seen a unit like that installed on a tractor over on the Red Power site.
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Jtaylor
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I was able to get the keyed shaft welded to the new steering shaft. cleaned the welds up and test fit the u-joint.
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desertjoe
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Sep 2013 Location: New mexico Points: 13668 |
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Hey JTaylor,,,this sounds like a great project that many will look into,,,,including ME,!!! I been dreading having to dismante the PS system on my D14 to repair it,,,IF the parts can even be found,,! I'll be following your project, so, keep the info and pics coming,,,, Hey B26240 ,,what is the address of the "red Power" tractor site you refer to,,? TIA.
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3841 |
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Red Power; https://redpowermagazine.com/ Great site! Similar expertise as here for all things Red.
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B26240
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Joe The article was in the Red Power bi-monthly magazine, There is articles by the "Tractor Doctor" there version of our Dr. Allis. He installed it on if I remember correctly a Farmall A or 100 with a mower deck that his wife cuts grass with. Article included pictures, he mounted unit about where the PS unit mounts on a WD45. Mark
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3841 |
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I remember that article, it was awhile back. Probably more than a year? "Tractor Doctor" is my favorite part of the magazine!
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Jtaylor
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I removed the original steering shaft from the front bolster. I previously marked the shaft in a rough spot to cut. double measured and cut the original steering shaft to make fit! no turning back now.. I ended up with 1 3/16" shaft protruding from the bolster bolt plate. I took my coupler adapter and welded it onto the stub shaft. I have yet to find a smaller coupler to allow the bolster plate to be removed once this shaft is welded. so, in that case (and so it was in my case) replace the bearings on the worm gear or make sure they are good prior to welding this on. Once welded into place, I was able to grease the bearings and reinstall the worm gear into the bolster. the worm gear is much easier to fit in once its 2 feet shorter! I slid the power steering unit onto the coupler for a test fit. It fit rather well with some minor adjustments. It has roughly 1/4-3/8" between itself and the front crank pulley. I used a rubber tie rod boot (part number from DJS Tractor) to keep water away from the torque sensors on the unit. Here is the unit placement in the frame rails. More space then you think but at the same time less space than you think! Steering shaft comes through the original area under the engine. tight space but no different than the original. I do still have an extension I need to make to mate to the u-joint that will be 3.25" long and made out of the remaining stepped portion of the go kart shaft. Edited by Jtaylor - 20 Apr 2022 at 7:04am |
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WF owner
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Very interested.
I assume the unit was from a scrapped Saturn that you had access to. Are there any other vehicles (that you know of) that have a similar setup for parts?
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Jtaylor
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My specific unit came from a 2007 chevrolet equinox. but, saturn vue and ion do work as long as it is a metal (grey) box for the ECU. if it is the black box, it will not work with any controller correctly due to a computer issue inside the unit. There is a few other units that do the same purpose (toyota prius, nissan cube, kia soul etc) but none that were as tightly compacted as this setup. I picked my power steering motor and ECU up for the tune of $60 at the local auto wreckers.
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IBWD MIke
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Very nice! $60 for the unit is great. Know you have $$ in other things but should be cheap power steering!
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Jtaylor
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Honestly, I think i currently have about $175 into the conversion as it sits. Including the odds and ends that i thought i would need that i never used. i should be right around the $250 mark when completed.
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desertjoe
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Well,, a lot more and more of us Have to go this route due to these very rare parts no longer available and if you do find the parts,,they are super expensive!! Most owners would like to keep their tractors original,,AND their cars, trks,,just bout everything any more and eventually we all wind up like ole JTaylor and look for other ways to get our work done. Great job, JTaylor,,,keep up the great work and keep them pics coming,,,,
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steve(ill)
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Justin, can you break it down into several steps of "what is happening".... Start with "turn the steering wheel" .... "the sensor sees movement"... etc ??
engine speed, ground speed, wheel effort have no input to "the box"..? Edited by steve(ill) - 23 Mar 2022 at 9:32am |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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desertjoe
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Hey JTaylor,,did you consider getting the worm gear shaft and the coupler machined for a keyway,,thereby making it removable for later repairs,.,?? Just thinking,,,,,,,
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Jtaylor
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I will definitely be breaking it down once i figure it all out for myself!
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Jtaylor
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I did have this thought, And There could be some improvements in other versions. with the proper access to a good machine shop would yield a better, removable coupler on the steering box side. I verified all my bearings were good and did not think we would run into any issues over the next 50 years so i was not overly concerned for my tractor. I would think someone who had the perfect resources and could spend a few bucks could make it happen.. although i wanted to keep within a certain budget and the local machine shop wanted $310 for the custom coupler and keyed shaft. that was my reasoning for the way i did it..
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desertjoe
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WHOA,,,$310,,,!!! OK, I see your point now and prolly what I would of done myself,,,, you know ole Shameless don't call me cheep for nuttin,,,,,,
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Jtaylor
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I was able to get the steering shaft extended last night by the 3.25" it needed.
here is the 3/4" section of go kart shaft i cut out to fit. Welded onto the original shaft without cutting Total length of the shaft now is as followed: I put the assembly into the frame once again to double check. it looks like it lines up perfect! I will very likely be re-using the original shaft support as well with a 1" to 3.4" bushing. Edited by Jtaylor - 24 Mar 2022 at 8:19am |
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Allis dave
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That looks like a neat way to get power steering without all the pulleys and oil. It'll be fin to see how it works in the end
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desertjoe
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Looking Good, Justin,,Looking good,,!! Beautiful weld too,,,,,mig or tig,,?
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Jtaylor
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thanks! That shaft was MIG welded.
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Stan R
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12V/ 60A: is that true? If so, what are your plans for that load? Or is that load peak and normal load is a lot less?
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Jtaylor
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That load is peak, it is roughly 30-40 amps while assisting, less if idling. your standard GM one wire alternator will handle this load just fine. You could also convert a ford 3G to one wire and get just over 120amps. this is the info pulled from some EPS enthusiests sites; "The EPS motor is a 12 volt brushed DC reversible motor with a 65 amp rating" |
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Jtaylor
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Installed the steering u-joint as a test fit. Fits very well! I still have a couple lock screws to make for the correct clearance in the u-joint. working on the mounting bracket next. this should be pretty straight forward.
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DrAllis
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My engineering question would be......how many ft lbs of torque is this device capable of ?? The front wheels on a small car surely would be lighter than front wheels on a farm tractor, right ??
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Jtaylor
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From all the sources i have read, 80 ft lbs is the norm... the saturn vue weighs in at 4894 lbs gross weight. with 60% of the weight being at the front of the car, you have 2936lbs roughly over the front wheels that the EPS needs to overcome. the WD45 weight varies but consider 4000lbs as a rough number. exclude rear wheel weight and maybe 40% of overall tractor weight on the rear tires? you would have a front axle weight of roughly 2400lbs. about 500 lbs less than the saturn car. I would think we would be okay from a simple math standpoint.. only time will tell!
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