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"WD 10."..Is it a 1948 WD serial #?

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WD31XXXXPa is like Don says, either a 51 or 52 engine block. And with a tractor number of WD10xxxx it would make it a 1951 or a 1952 also.
1951 tractor numbers  72328 - 105181  engine numbers- 278585 - 313931
1952 tractor numbers  105182 - 126931 engine numbers- 313932 - 337332

Unless you can come up with a number stamped on the top edge of the hydraulic pump, which might not be there, I have no idea which of the 2 years it is.

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My 1951 WD has no snap coupler.  Yours has a bell and release, which if original, may provide another clue.
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Stu, Is that the same number as stamped on the rear end?
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Yes Charlie.  I maybe have never shown them both together in a past post.
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With apologies to OldOrangeIron, and, anyone else whom I may have offended.

I sent this apology PM to OldOrangeIron.   I did not take anything that he said, nor, anyone else said to allege that I was attempting to pass off the tractor as a 1948, when there has been some obvious and curious questions about the serial number.  I was only on an exploratory quest to find our from you guys, what  you thought was up, and to determine it's true age so that I could properly list it on Craigslist, and elsewhere.

The guy who bought it for re-sale, is not computer literate.  Since he is a good guy who sold me my WD45, just put on my new seat shock from TONY Cavanaugh, and is doing some minor adjustments for me now, I offered to put this tractor on Craigslist for him. 

Didn't want to list it with the wrong year, especially, if he had a tractor that was more rare, or, one that HAD been deliberately altered for a nefarious reason.

Had confidence that you guys would be able to figure the serial number out, or, tell me about mods that were done, such as major rear end replacements, etc.


Hi, oldorangeiron,

I hope that I didn't give you the impression that I felt that you were saying that the tractor serial number had been altered in a scam.

If that is how it came across, I do apologize.


I think that it is obvious that the serial number on the rear, and the engine number have both been diddiled with, but "for what purpose" is my question.

I just wanted to head off any speculation that the number had been recently altered for a sinister purpose.   I know the guy who has it for sale, he got it in a trade.  When I went to check the number, I saw the "WD10" on the rear, but the etched out rectangle on the rear looked odd to me.

No one had tried to sell it as a "WD10" serial.  I told him I would list it for him on Craigslist, because he is a bit older and  not really a computer guy.   I didn't want to list it as a "1948", with that etched out block, so that is why I posted photos and info on the forum, thinking that someone has seen this before.


Again, I do apologize if it came across that I was singling out you, or, anyone else on the "scam", scenario.  I didn't want discussion to go off in that direction, as I felt that the number had not been tampered with, at least not recently, and not for to give the tractor a higher value.

Thanks, OldOrangeIron.

Dex


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sometimes the casting number on the axle gives you a "rough" idea of the year of the tractor.

Maybe some guy on the assembly line back in 1950 thought he'd mess with the AC collectors some day LOL
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jrjuday posted

"My dad had a WD that was a demonstrator from a dealer that had the serial numbers machined off like that, and it was done by the dealer. He explained why it was done, but that was over 40 years ago, and I cant remember the details. It had something to do with excess inventory and dealer territories."



Now, that is interesting!  I wish that regression worked, to where we could take you back to that day, 40 years ago, and get that dealers explanation as to why the dealer ground off the numbers on  your fathers tractor. Care for a travel back in time? Smile

The owner never told me that it was a "WD10" serial number.  When I went to look for the serial number I found the "WD 10" on the rear where my number is located on my  WD45. 

The ground out, or, machined out, or, as I have been calling it, the "etched" out block caught my attention.   I felt that an alteration had been done, but I didn't know why.   I ruled out "scam", because like I said earlier, in Ripley County, Missouri, the only thing that matters to a potential buyer, is "does the damn thing run?"  

I wondered if the rear end had been swapped out, and the "WD10" had been stamped in there to match the original number on the replaced rear end.  Then, someone posted that early WD rear ends had been weak and many were replaced, so that scenario, made sense. However, I wanted to be certain, so, I kept asking for you'all's input.

Then, when someone suggested that I check for the engine number, it, too, had been altered.  I wondered why.

Actually, I thought someone on here may have ran into something similar before, and could help me identify it.

jrjuday.... YOU hold the key.  If, 40 years ago, you saw your fathers tractor altered in a similar manner, then there is a reason for the alteration of your father's tractor, and that of my friends tractor.

Just wish I knew the exact reason, now, not so much as to properly list his tractor, but to satisfy my own curiosity.

Does the light yellow painted wheels, instead of cream, like on my WD45 mean anything?


A BIG THANK YOU, to all of you who have contributed to this discussion.   Any further input, is greatly appreciated, as is the input already given to me, by all of you who posted.


THANK YOU!





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Does the light yellow painted wheels, instead of cream, like on my WD45 mean anything?


Actually, both the WDs and the WD-45s came from the factory with orange centers and galvanized rims.

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Dexter, Now you gotta go look for the tractor number on top of the hydraulic pump as shown by Stu. His tractor number is also stamped on the top of the hydraulic pump.
 Are the rear wheels power shift or straight set rims? If they are straight set rims, they probably came off a John Deere combine.
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Dexter, there is no need for apologies, Its not a big deal, really. I maybe did take your post the wrong way, but that is my mistake, not yours. I did not mean an harm or sense of discontent whatsoever. I hope you figure out what is going on with that tractor, its very interesting to say the least. I am really interested in the possibility of that being a dealer demonstrator, that would make sense in my mind too. Good luck on your quest.
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Brian G  & CTuckerNWIL,

Yep, I thought that the yellow centered rims were usual.   Fortunately, I took a photo of the rims.   They do not appear to be power-shift to me. Smile

John Deere rims on an Allis?, "Say it ain't so, Joe !!!"



What was this?.... an ALLIS PARTS TRACTOR KIT, that said on the box..."Some assembly required.  Rims not included."
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Originally posted by oldorangeiron oldorangeiron wrote:

Dexter, there is no need for apologies, Its not a big deal, really. I maybe did take your post the wrong way, but that is my mistake, not yours. I did not mean an harm or sense of discontent whatsoever. I hope you figure out what is going on with that tractor, its very interesting to say the least. I am really interested in the possibility of that being a dealer demonstrator, that would make sense in my mind too. Good luck on your quest.
Oldorangeiron




Thank you, OldOrangeIron for being so cool.

Dex


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Here is how I posted this tractor on Craigslist.

I wanted to be as accurate as possible on the tractors age.  I could have done it without all the helpful suggestions and information that you ALL provided.

Thank you so very much.  Check it out and see that I have done it with as much accuracy as possible.   At first, I thought that his asking price of $1,500 might be high, but there are a couple other WD's in the immediate area on that same craigslist and one is $1,000 more, at $2,500, the other at $2,200.  http://semo.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=Allis&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk=

With grateful appreciation,

Dex

http://semo.craigslist.org/grd/3236189482.html

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More than likely, the original tires were filled with calcium chloride like most Allis tractors of this vintage. If there ever was a leak from any part of the tube, the fluid would eat away the rims if not rinsed off thoroughly and immediately. It could take 50 years for this to happen but when it did, the combine rims were cheaper than replacing the original 28 inch wheels. Look at the tires, I'll bet they are 26" not 28 and they are NOT original to the tractor or any ALLIS for that matter. YEPPER, from a JD combine.
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

More than likely, the original tires were filled with calcium chloride like most Allis tractors of this vintage. If there ever was a leak from any part of the tube, the fluid would eat away the rims if not rinsed off thoroughly and immediately. It could take 50 years for this to happen but when it did, the combine rims were cheaper than replacing the original 28 inch wheels. Look at the tires, I'll bet they are 26" not 28 and they are NOT original to the tractor or any ALLIS for that matter. YEPPER, from a JD combine.




Thank you, CTuckerNWIL,

If nothing else, this tractor, with the John Deere Combine rims, and eradicated serial numbers has a very interesting history behind it.

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